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Old Nov 27th 2011, 03:02 PM   #1
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Ducati NA technical crew are in Italy learning all about the new 1199 Panigale, the up close and personal tease shots begin!

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Old Nov 27th 2011, 09:16 PM   #2
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Thanks for the post. What advantage does a 2 into 1 into 2 have over just a 2 into 1? Still scratching my head as to why Termi charges $3500 for one of these, other than because they can.
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Old Nov 28th 2011, 09:27 AM   #3
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Thanks for the pic. I want to see a comparison between the stock and Terms.
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Old Nov 28th 2011, 09:50 AM   #4
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I am purely guessing here, but 2 into 1 into 2 is basically your H configuration (as in Mustangs) and it i sused to equalize pressure across both banks and as an benefit, it sounds wicked.
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Old Nov 28th 2011, 11:36 AM   #5
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it sounds wicked.
I really hope you're right! I want to hear how the motor sounds, especially since the dry clutch has gone bye bye.
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Old Nov 28th 2011, 02:18 PM   #6
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Beautifull exhaust, welds look quite good for termi !
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Old Nov 30th 2011, 07:36 AM   #7
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Still scratching my head as to why Termi charges $3500 for one of these, other than because they can.
On my Tricolore S4RS the Termignoni full exhaust changed five key factors on my bike and the results were better low end performance, faster revving and amazing sound. Even at $3000, the upgrade was well worth it. In short, my Tricolore is a better bike and truly a Monster.

One insight - on my S4RS the claimed performance boost was 10% or 13hp, on the 1199 the claimed boost is 5% or 9.75hp.

My Termignoni full exhaust was advertised as Race only meaning -

1) A new ECU was provided
2) A new Airbox was provided
3) The pipe diameter was increased from 45mm to 50mm
4) The catalytic converted was removed
5) The O2 sensors were removed

Questions about the 1199 Termignoni full exhaust

1) Is a new ECU provided or just needing a software upgrade?
2) Is a new Airbox provided?
3) Is the pipe diameter increased?
4) I assume the catalytic converter is removed…?
5) Are the O2 sensors removed enabling better low end power?

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Originally Posted by Tricolore View Post
On my Tricolore S4RS the Termignoni full exhaust changed five key factors on my bike and the results were better low end performance, faster revving and amazing sound. Even at $3000, the upgrade was well worth it. In short, my Tricolore is a better bike and truly a Monster.

One insight - on my S4RS the claimed performance boost was 10% or 13hp, on the 1199 the claimed boost is 5% or 9.75hp.

My Termignoni full exhaust was advertised as Race only meaning -

1) A new ECU was provided
2) A new Airbox was provided
3) The pipe diameter was increased from 45mm to 50mm
4) The catalytic converted was removed
5) The O2 sensors were removed

Questions about the 1199 Termignoni full exhaust

1) Is a new ECU provided or just needing a software upgrade?
2) Is a new Airbox provided?
3) Is the pipe diameter increased?
4) I assume the catalytic converter is removedů?
5) Are the O2 sensors removed enabling better low end power?
You got a new $60 air filter with the monster Termi system, not a $600 airbox.
The system included a new ECU but that has always been a forced purchase in my opinion as the new programing could have been accomplished with a data flash for a fraction of the price.

Removing the 02 sensors does not in itself create more low rpm power it, along with the appropriate programing, only allows the range beneath 20% throttle to operate in open loop.
That means re-mapping can be done. o2 sensors can work both good and bad for performance depending on the target AFR and the capability of the sensors.

You are right there are many questions about the new Termi system especially since the movement is towards less ability for us the owners to change or affect these new systems.

I have a feeling that the new termi system has catalizers since the old Termi for the EU market had them. I hope I'm wrong.
There's also a rumor that the programing is now only a map flash - like it should have been all along.
But where does that leave non dealership service centers like Duc shop and Boulder motorsports? And how much are they going to charge if we want the flash for an aftermarket system - will they even do it?
Will the aftermarket figure out how to program the new ECU - maybe but how long will that take a year, two?

There are a lot of questions and all of us who jump into this bike head-first will be struggling to answer them.
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I am also told that it will just be a re-map and a new ECU is not needed. As for map updates by non-Ducati authorized dealers, my cyncial side says that that will come to end - as in what Aprilia did with the RSV4 where the dealer has to be registered, certified, with a dedicated laptop for that bike and regular updates which checks against a database to ensure that the dealer is in good standing (i.e., still certified and licences paid).

As for the catalytic converters and O2 sensors, I know that on cars that if a dealer removes either that there is extremely heavy fines and jail time. Not sure if the emissions laws have caught up to bikes yet or not, but I assume that this will be a grey area and would love to hear from those better informed than myself. In Europe I believe bikes have to go through emissions controls at the moment.
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Old Dec 1st 2011, 04:12 AM   #10
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Even the exhaust looks like a piece of sculpture from an art show.Nice.
keep the anatomy of the 0801 project coming!

Would be nice that a special pin code could be punch into the dash and the race map is engaged....just maybe...if you swap back to stock pipes just punch another...will be nice.would like to have this freedom,if there is no limitation on the flash size...

are the O2 sensors wide-band or bipolar?...what would be stopping us to view the sensor output on the dash.....?
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