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Old Sep 16th 2013, 02:35 PM   #1
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DQS: missed some shifts...

With DQS, it sometimes misses the shift from 4th to 5th, whatever the mode (race or sport)... It sometimes act like it gets into neutral, redline then back to 4th. Sometimes it gets into 5th then returns to 4th... It happens maybe 5% of the shift i make from 4 to 5... Anyone had this?
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I can't remember which gears but usually if it quick shift between 1st and 2nd in sport mode it hits neutral and red lines which spooked me.... So I rarely quick shift...
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Try bleeding the clutch master and slave cylinders.
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Old Sep 16th 2013, 04:50 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by EvoL View Post
Try bleeding the clutch master and slave cylinders.
how would that help when you don't pull the clutch in when quick shifting?

bikes have dog gears and you only need the clutch when starting from a stand still. any bike can shift without the clutch. all the quick shifter does is cut timing to momentarily remove power to allow the shift lever to move the trans into the next gear without having to remove throttle to unload the trans, you can keep it pinned. completely unrelated to the clutch.

the quick shifter doesn't delay power application forever so you need to make a positive shift. do not leisurely click the next gear, if you want to do that then pull the clutch in. the dqs is meant for full throttle shifts that you bang into the next gear.

also, make sure you completely remove pressure from the shift lever after making a shift. if you maintain pressure until the next time to shift it may not engage fully into the next gear. so remove pressure completely, then preload the shifter with your foot slightly, when it is time to shift bang the next gear firmly then again remove all pressure and then redo it for the next shift.

point being, the issue you are having has nothing to do with the quick shifter mechanism. it is user error.
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here's a link to what a dog box trans is

Synchromesh vs. Dog Box - Gearbox Beatdown - Import Tuner Magazine

I never use the clutch when up shifting a motorcycle. I only use the clutch to downshift and I also make sure to rev match unless I am slowing down for a turn like into my neighborhood where I don't plan to reaccelerate but simply cruise at low speed. only then will I slow down in high gear and click down all at once to second or whatever with the clutch in right before the turn.
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Happens to me sometimes... Just shift harder
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Originally Posted by LiveFast4Ever View Post
With DQS, it sometimes misses the shift from 4th to 5th, whatever the mode (race or sport)... It sometimes act like it gets into neutral, redline then back to 4th. Sometimes it gets into 5th then returns to 4th... It happens maybe 5% of the shift i make from 4 to 5... Anyone had this?
Lower the lever a bit, cured it for me.

Baisse ton shifter un peu pis c'est reglé.
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson View Post
how would that help when you don't pull the clutch in when quick shifting?

bikes have dog gears and you only need the clutch when starting from a stand still. any bike can shift without the clutch. all the quick shifter does is cut timing to momentarily remove power to allow the shift lever to move the trans into the next gear without having to remove throttle to unload the trans, you can keep it pinned. completely unrelated to the clutch.

the quick shifter doesn't delay power application forever so you need to make a positive shift. do not leisurely click the next gear, if you want to do that then pull the clutch in. the dqs is meant for full throttle shifts that you bang into the next gear.

also, make sure you completely remove pressure from the shift lever after making a shift. if you maintain pressure until the next time to shift it may not engage fully into the next gear. so remove pressure completely, then preload the shifter with your foot slightly, when it is time to shift bang the next gear firmly then again remove all pressure and then redo it for the next shift.

point being, the issue you are having has nothing to do with the quick shifter mechanism. it is user error.
The bmw s1000rr never has this problem its just the Ducati not user error....
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson View Post
how would that help when you don't pull the clutch in when quick shifting?

bikes have dog gears and you only need the clutch when starting from a stand still. any bike can shift without the clutch. all the quick shifter does is cut timing to momentarily remove power to allow the shift lever to move the trans into the next gear without having to remove throttle to unload the trans, you can keep it pinned. completely unrelated to the clutch.

the quick shifter doesn't delay power application forever so you need to make a positive shift. do not leisurely click the next gear, if you want to do that then pull the clutch in. the dqs is meant for full throttle shifts that you bang into the next gear.

also, make sure you completely remove pressure from the shift lever after making a shift. if you maintain pressure until the next time to shift it may not engage fully into the next gear. so remove pressure completely, then preload the shifter with your foot slightly, when it is time to shift bang the next gear firmly then again remove all pressure and then redo it for the next shift.

point being, the issue you are having has nothing to do with the quick shifter mechanism. it is user error.
Panigales need their master cylinder bled every 500 miles or so. You can tell it needs when the engagement point of the clutch gets closer and closer to the grip. You will also notice when this happens, that the DQS doesn't work as well; hence my suggestion.
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Old Sep 16th 2013, 06:29 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by quackquack View Post
The bmw s1000rr never has this problem its just the Ducati not user error....
Several missed shifts, 1st to 2nd...is it me...or? - BMW S1000RR Forums: BMW Sportbike Forum

I'll readily admit that the Panigale is not perfect, but Higgs is right that this is a rider error.
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