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Old Jan 12th 2014, 10:43 PM   #1
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Too much engine oil??

Dears,

I ve been having engine oil leaks since day1 basically and after fixing the oil pan and tightening the valve cover bolts I have new one now 'somewhere in the engine'.

I always have engine oil above the max level. Reason being if it burns oil I wont be stuck somewhere with my oil light on. Manual reccomends between min and max and says fill up if below min but mentions nothing if oil level is above max.

In short: could an excess quantity of appr 500ml (excess meaning above the max level) of engine oil cause leaks or any other trouble inside the engine? How critical is this quantity to the proper working of the engine? An engine which has never been in the track but is frequently revved to the 11000rpm region.

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Old Jan 12th 2014, 11:04 PM   #2
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An over full engine oil condition can and does cause all manner of problems akin to the ones you describe with your engine.
It's always been the case, ever since machines were created.

The manual is absolutely clear about the required oil level.
I advise you adhere to the manual.
It is after all, produced by the people who designed the machine.

You need to focus totally on fixing the oil leaks, or whatever your problems are with this machine.

THE FIRST STEP WILL BE TO RESTORE THE OIL LEVEL TO THE TOP LINE ON THE OIL VIEW WINDOW.
STRICTLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MANUAL.
THEN YOU MAY WELL FIND THAT YOUR LEAKS WILL BE MUCH REDUCED OR PERHAPS EVEN ELIMINATED.
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 11:07 PM   #3
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I can't believe I responded to that post

Maybe I need to get some Viagra for my eyes, or somebody else needs it other than my good self
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 12:01 AM   #4
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Very kind of you Brad, thanks
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 12:30 AM   #5
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I have 2 questions for you.

1, How much oil do you think is actually in the engine if you believe it's 500 ml over full?

2, how much oil do you think the engine holds?

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There is as Brad says, a chance that with excessive oil in the engine, you could be contributing to the cause of the oil leak/leaks. Excess oil can cause over pressurisation within the crankcase, something that was a common problem on early V-Twins, though they used to spew it back out through the airbox, as I found out to my cost! I would suggest if it's overfull, you have two options. Either pull the drain plug and change the oil out, refilling to the correct level, or with a thin enough tube and syringe you can remove the excess through the filler plug. The latter is time consuming and not easy due to access restrictions for the tube. If you remove the drain plug, don't forget to replace the copper crush washer as well, with a new one. You might as well change the oil filter at the same time, for complete peace of mind.
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Thanks. Brad I dont know the answers to yr questions thats why I posted the thread. As stupid as it sounds to you. This btw is not a complain for the bike I love Ducatis.
The 500ml was measured with a syringe when I removed the oil from the top like topolino said. As for the oil capacity of the engine my guess is that it can hold upto 3.5-4L of oil purely from the engine-size point of view. Normal oil quantity needed is usually 3-3.2L incl oil filter at least for my last 4 Ducati models.
My oil leaks started from day 1 with the factory oil which incidentally was above the max level. However no doubt that excess oil can cause leaks.

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PP1098, regardless of your current oil level, under normal load conditions, you should not be experiencing continual leaks. If, as you say, you have had the oil pan leak addressed, as well as the valve covers, then are you able to pinpoint the area where the current issues are? It would help others on here give you more helpful responses.
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Like I said right now unknown. I can smell burnt oil but not sure from where. I agree that it should stop this is why I thought of the oil issue i.e whether excess oil and how much can cause leaks. Answer seems to be yes.
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Like I said right now unknown. I can smell burnt oil but not sure from where. I agree that it should stop this is why I thought of the oil issue i.e whether excess oil and how much can cause leaks. Answer seems to be yes.
Yes too much oil can absolutely cause leaks and much worse. It can actually seriously damage the engine given enough of it under the right conditions.

So start with your oil level at the top line of the sight glass (when the engine is dead cold and bike level). All in accordance with the manual.

The manual does state that the oil capacity is 3.7 litres with filter.
The quantity is incorrect, and too much.
The amount this engine will "actually" take is about 3.55 litres with filter.
For your future reference.

Why aren't your leaks being repaired under warranty by your dealer??????

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