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Old May 2nd 2014, 01:58 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by gigantor View Post
Doubtful. All that cash he spilled buying the bike has him blinded. Would be more interested in a track review.
The bike will be better than the other 1199's because its lighter, has more power and better electronics. How much better? I guess that's the subjective part.

Think of it this way. If I took a 1199S, pulled the motor, balanced and blue printed it, added WSBK pistons, Ti Rods and valves, a much lighter crank, raised the rpm limit, optimized the fuel mapping, added a newer version on the fly DTC with self learning for tires and gearing, wheelie control. Now add magnesium wheels, 520 chain and sprockets, a carbon subframe, top of the line Ohlins, Ti Akro system etc. Wouldn't you expect it to be better on the track? Not saying the 1199SL isn't over priced, just saying it will work better because that's exactly what a race team would do to a 1199S to make it a race bike which is what the 1199SL has stock.

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Old May 2nd 2014, 02:06 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by Akillya View Post
The bike will be better than the other 1199's because its lighter, has more power and better electronics. How much better? I guess that's the subjective part.

Think of it this way. If I took a 1199S, pulled the motor, balanced and blue printed it, added WSBK pistons, Ti Rods and valves, a much lighter crank, raised the rpm limit, optimized the fuel mapping, added a newer version on the fly DTC with self learning for tires and gearing, wheelie control. Now add magnesium wheels, 520 chain and sprockets, a carbon subframe, top of the line Ohlins etc. Wouldn't you expect it to be better on the track?
Of course it would but the million dollar question has always been the cost factor.. that's where gigantor is coming from

When you are reviewing something that you spent top dollar on, you are bound to shower ultimate praise on it to the highest level.. thats human nature and anyone of us who had we bought one would have the same viewpoint.. . While the rider in the forum may have given a pretty honest perspective as possible, the question of credibility always is there.

A neutral unbiased critical review of the bike from a motorcycling publication where they compare it to the 1199R would be more comprehensive and give a thorough perspective.
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Old May 2nd 2014, 02:31 PM   #23
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That SL belongs to Nicky Romero, a well known Dutch DJ.. Nicky Romero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will be getting my SL deposit back early next week. Dealer is waiting for the check to clear at their bank and then I would get the $13k back. Sadly lack of credit history and duration worked against me so the financing approval went bust inspite of having a really good credit score. Maybe a few more years would help solidify that.

Disappointed that my SL aspiration didn't work out but I will continue to ride my 1199R and start saving up for the next limited Ducati beauty that follows.

To those who are cleared to getting one.. congrats and enjoy the beast !!!
No worries.
Just get ready for the next special that DUCATI produces.
The Desmo was good.
The SL Better.
The next one they do will be better again.
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Old May 2nd 2014, 02:34 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Akillya View Post
The bike will be better than the other 1199's because its lighter, has more power and better electronics. How much better? I guess that's the subjective part.

Think of it this way. If I took a 1199S, pulled the motor, balanced and blue printed it, added WSBK pistons, Ti Rods and valves, a much lighter crank, raised the rpm limit, optimized the fuel mapping, added a newer version on the fly DTC with self learning for tires and gearing, wheelie control. Now add magnesium wheels, 520 chain and sprockets, a carbon subframe, top of the line Ohlins, Ti Akro system etc. Wouldn't you expect it to be better on the track? Not saying the 1199SL isn't over priced, just saying it will work better because that's exactly what a race team would do to a 1199S to make it a race bike which is what the 1199SL has stock.
You missed out on the world wide street legal component of the package, and the warranty.
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You missed out on the world wide street legal component of the package, and the warranty.
That's the most amazing part, I think. Now if you strip that down into race trim, imagine the package you'll have! ZX-10R, BMW HP4, RSV-4, whatever, nothing is going to touch this bike as far as power/weight ratio, and it won't even be close. We've all been lulled into a false sense of what is the maximum possible due to the bikes that have been available the past 10 years, but this bike is resetting the bar way up there. It's not the same as the Desmosedici, that bike was not built to reset a performance benchmark, it was built as a collectible Ducati and a celebration of the MotoGP championship. The SL is different, it's a dagger aimed at the heart of the sporbike market to put everyone else in their place and show what the "new" Ducati is capable of with VW's backing. Comparisons to the 1199R are pretty much irrelevant, this bike is not an evolution of the 1199R, it's a new bike. It's not just a little bit beyond an 1199R it's WAY beyond.

When Ducati launched the SL at the dealer show last year, Claudio Domenicali said that the design brief for the bike was dictated by Ferdinand Piech (Chariman of VW) as the absolute maximum that is possible with the technology available to produce a bike. When the Ducati engineers went back and provided the design, it was presented to Mr. Piech with the caveat "Here's the maximum we can do, but we can't build it because it's going to be too expensive". According to Domenicali, Piech's response was "I don't give a fuck how much it costs, just build it!". That's verbatim of what Domenicali said. So this is not another evolution of the product line, it's a one-off separate project to elevate Ducati back to the undisputed king of production sport bike technology and performance. And luckily for the rest of us much of that technology will trickle down into the rest of the product range as we move forward. For those lucky enough to ride one, I'm pretty sure we're going to feel the same was as the dude in that first review, and it won't have anything to do with riding with "new bike blinders" on, it's really going to be that good, it HAS to be given the way the bike was built.
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Old May 2nd 2014, 05:33 PM   #26
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That's the most amazing part, I think. Now if you strip that down into race trim, imagine the package you'll have! ZX-10R, BMW HP4, RSV-4, whatever, nothing is going to touch this bike as far as power/weight ratio, and it won't even be close. We've all been lulled into a false sense of what is the maximum possible due to the bikes that have been available the past 10 years, but this bike is resetting the bar way up there. It's not the same as the Desmosedici, that bike was not built to reset a performance benchmark, it was built as a collectible Ducati and a celebration of the MotoGP championship. The SL is different, it's a dagger aimed at the heart of the sporbike market to put everyone else in their place and show what the "new" Ducati is capable of with VW's backing. Comparisons to the 1199R are pretty much irrelevant, this bike is not an evolution of the 1199R, it's a new bike. It's not just a little bit beyond an 1199R it's WAY beyond.

When Ducati launched the SL at the dealer show last year, Claudio Domenicali said that the design brief for the bike was dictated by Ferdinand Piech (Chariman of VW) as the absolute maximum that is possible with the technology available to produce a bike. When the Ducati engineers went back and provided the design, it was presented to Mr. Piech with the caveat "Here's the maximum we can do, but we can't build it because it's going to be too expensive". According to Domenicali, Piech's response was "I don't give a fuck how much it costs, just build it!". That's verbatim of what Domenicali said. So this is not another evolution of the product line, it's a one-off separate project to elevate Ducati back to the undisputed king of production sport bike technology and performance. And luckily for the rest of us much of that technology will trickle down into the rest of the product range as we move forward. For those lucky enough to ride one, I'm pretty sure we're going to feel the same was as the dude in that first review, and it won't have anything to do with riding with "new bike blinders" on, it's really going to be that good, it HAS to be given the way the bike was built.
I say....."what he said"

-- I'll add this: no matter how you try to rationalize the price, simply think this way....as an individual you will never be able to turn your 1199base/s/r into an SL....even if you could buy all the components you come in way higher than 65k and it still wouldn't be factory built.....historically with Ducati, getting the bike directly from the factory was, and still is, cheaper - not a bad deal, no hassles in development and it works the best it possibly can "out of the box" - Thank You Ducati !
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Old May 2nd 2014, 06:42 PM   #27
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The SL is a great bike no doubt I would have one . I still think you can transform a R to be as good a bike at a cheaper price .
At the end of the day it still wont have the limited edition factor of the SL.

For me selling my R and and paying the difference for a SL was too expensive .
My bike already has magnesium wheels up graded suspension 520 chain titanium bolts and hardware and in the process of fitting SL cams titanium inlets adding the pistons is easy as well . For this I m no where near the price of the SL most likely around 60K where a SL is 85K here .

BUT . If I was starting from scratch for the extra the SL would certainly be the way to go and congratulations to anyone that owns one .
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Old May 2nd 2014, 07:06 PM   #28
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I was thinking more about this as I walked to the shop to get a combination with no cucumber Vietnamese roll.
I don't think I could consider putting a SL on the track either . I know I will bin it at some stage and the cost of repairing the bike will be expensive I'm not going to be any quicker on it either .
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Old May 3rd 2014, 01:39 AM   #29
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If i m not mistaken, Martin is the owner/partner in Ducati Glasgow.

well these are the words of a guy in the UK i know that does know a bit on RS engines and how to build a racing bike on the SL :

" i don't inderstand how they even dared to build an engine like that and even give warranty on it. It's a 2012 RS engine. they really must be counting on it that most of the them will not be ridden hard."

The difference with the R is inherently really stunning. the SL in road trim ( plate attached) with 9L of fuel in it was measured at 164 kgs. thats is 10Kg lighter than mine also full carbon ansd magnesium.. and with 190 rear wheel BHP on tap without touching it flying through the range on less pistonrings and a lighter crank...

from the spec sheet, the review reads spot on ...
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Old May 3rd 2014, 04:36 AM   #30
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In my world...i'd buy it from the factory, then spend time riding it

-- are the details out on wether it has the service coverage that the desmosedici had ? (3yrs service)
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