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Old Oct 17th 2014, 12:06 PM   #21
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I would be down for the street version
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 12:14 PM   #22
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I'm interested in the race version! A grand is pricey.

Don't the Moto GP guys still use the clutch? I see them modulating its release on corner entries. Just wondering. When the camera goes to the rear pendgelum camera you can hear them downshifting and it sounds no blipping is done. Never a pro racer here so just wondering what they do? Or even WSBK for that matter?
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 12:25 PM   #23
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I already have this function built into my right wrist. My system works on every bike I ride without additional "per bike" fees or other electronic difficulties.
I'd have to agree with Cloner....kinda.

Not that I don't see a useful function to it. But after a good 35+ yrs of riding, I don't see myself using it. I don't even use the existing DQS. I used clutchless (up)shifting on my race bikes. But they were 2-strokes and GP pattern. The "blip-while-you-clutch in-brake-n-downshift" is so ingrained in me by now and such an automatic action any clutchless electronics that did it for me would be wasted.
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 12:29 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Charliem90 View Post
I'd have to agree with Cloner....kinda.

Not that I don't see a useful function to it. But after a good 35+ yrs of riding, I don't see myself using it. I don't even use the existing DQS. I used clutchless (up)shifting on my race bikes. But they were 2-strokes and GP pattern. The "blip-while-you-clutch in-brake-n-downshift" is so ingrained in me by now and such an automatic action any clutchless electronics that did it for me would be wasted.
Exactly my point, Charlie. Good habits are hard to break. I guess I need a Bonneville.
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 12:51 PM   #25
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I'll draw the line on that one. I think paddle shifters are the worst thing to happen to sports cars in just about ever. Losing the mechanical connection to the drivetrain simply sucks, IMHO. F1 reversed a lot of driver "aids" like launch control and TC several years ago which was immediately successful to the sport with fans and drivers alike, but missed the opportunity to eradicate the scourge of "flappy paddle gearboxes."

If you lived through or even watched videos of the awesome 80's-90's F1 era, where fantastic talents like Prost, Mansell and Senna battled it out with analogue machines, you would wish the same. Shifting yourself was part of the skill set: you missed a shift - you got passed
...while i understand what you're saying, and can connect with the enjoyment factor of it all...."facts is facts"...newer, while not always, is better....learn how to use the paddles and there is no reason to going back to "row your own boat" (shifting the old fashioned way).....it will be even better on the bike, as movement is reduced to near nothing...."i'm a believer".....we must move forward...technology marches on......."ooooo a red one - i'll take it"
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Exactly my point, Charlie. Good habits are hard to break. I guess I need a Bonneville.
...hey what the heck, lets get rid of power steering too.....and why bother with hydraulic brakes.....rotors and pads......"who needs them, when you got good ol fashioned shoes and drums" that give that real analog feel of swaying motion side to side while you hold on for dear life......swaying across lanes....
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Originally Posted by Charliem90 View Post
I'd have to agree with Cloner....kinda.

Not that I don't see a useful function to it. But after a good 35+ yrs of riding, I don't see myself using it. I don't even use the existing DQS. I used clutchless (up)shifting on my race bikes. But they were 2-strokes and GP pattern. The "blip-while-you-clutch in-brake-n-downshift" is so ingrained in me by now and such an automatic action any clutchless electronics that did it for me would be wasted.
"those that resist change....are doomed to repeat it"....(isn't that how it goes)
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I see the value in these new technologies, but the best implementations (at least in the car world) have it so that the driver/rider can choose to have them on or off.

Personally, on a track day where I'm chasing lap times and want to increase safety by eliminating the occasional human mistake of not getting a rev-matched downshift correct and resulting rear slide, I would want the clutchless rev-matched down shift feature. It leaves more bandwidth for focusing on at-limit trail braking and other critical tasks, and ostensibly allows you to brake even later.

These same advantages on the track do add even more safety on the street. But when I'm feeling old-school and want to exercise my hard-won skills from years of practice, I definitely want to be able to turn it off.

AND, it should be banned from racing to emphasize the individual skill and increase the spectacle!!!!
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Exactly my point, Charlie. Good habits are hard to break. I guess I need a Bonneville.
They'll probably put a quick-shifter on the Bonneville for 2015, just watch! Ha ha!
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 01:46 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
I see the value in these new technologies, but the best implementations (at least in the car world) have it so that the driver/rider can choose to have them on or off.

Personally, on a track day where I'm chasing lap times and want to increase safety by eliminating the occasional human mistake of not getting a rev-matched downshift correct and resulting rear slide, I would want the clutchless rev-matched down shift feature. It leaves more bandwidth for focusing on at-limit trail braking and other critical tasks, and ostensibly allows you to brake even later.

These same advantages on the track do add even more safety on the street. But when I'm feeling old-school and want to exercise my hard-won skills from years of practice, I definitely want to be able to turn it off.

AND, it should be banned from racing to emphasize the individual skill and increase the spectacle!!!!

-- ok....an on/off switch.....i can agree with that
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