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Old Oct 18th 2014, 04:46 AM   #41
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I'm sure Charlie and I, both licensed road racers, bought Panigales because we're afraid of technology and thought it had drum brakes. Duh.

In this case I'm pretty sure the minimal gain of having a computer help me downshift and rev match is not much better, if any better at all, than my natural ability to do it my damned self. It took ABS on motorcycles 20 years to stop faster than I can without it, fer fuck's sake. Why would this tech be different?

So far the only technology I'm over the moon about on the Panigale is the EBC. I love two-strokes! The TC ain't bad, either, and I'm sure it saved my bacon once so far. Quick shifter stays on, but I don't believe it's much better than loading the lever and a quick roll-off-roll-on that's worked on road courses for the last hundred years. As to clutchless downshifts, if you need the damned thing, go get it. I would encourage you to figure out how it works so you can do it yourself, though....and developing a technique costs virtually nothing!

Jarel is a great guy for taking care of our community. No debate on that point. Why those who don't care for a particular electronic gadget are considered troglodytes to some is a bit offputting, though.

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Old Oct 18th 2014, 04:58 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Buliwyf View Post
The race bikes have it. But it's only flawless in a straight line. Trail braking into a sweeper, that last downshift is still smoothest if the racer does it himself. That's why you still see the pro's doing it themselves. Sometimes the turn they're entering is just plain weird.

So, in my opinion. This shifter needs to take advantage of both styles. When it's turned on, it shouldn't negatively effect a regular downshift.

It should have some dip switches or jumpers so you can adjust:
1.)Turn it on/off with a simple flip switch on the bars.
2.) Be able to blip with clutch in or out.
3.) Should have an adjustable blip amount.
4.) Have an adjustable blip time.

it also can't hurt the DQS and it should be fully potted and waterproof.

I'd buy that in a second. But i'd use it for fun. I still believe that it's the most fun to learn and refine the techniques of shifting until it's perfect. So I'll shift myself. But it's still I sweet option I'd buy in a heart beat for when I want to concentrate on entry, not shifting.

But, before you go out and make one, see if you can get a Ducati rep to say whether or not they're going to offer software and parts upgrades for the 1199. Ducati would be stupid to not offer the new 1299 tech for the 1199 owners. Would sell better than the lame carbon fiber swing arm covers and ignition switch covers they're constantly trying to push. Maybe not as cool as the Ducati bathrobe or bubble pipe though.

....bubble pipe...?
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 05:09 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Cloner View Post
I'm sure Charlie and I, both licensed road racers, bought Panigales because we're afraid of technology and thought it had drum brakes. Duh.

In this case I'm pretty sure the minimal gain of having a computer help me downshift and rev match is not much better, if any better at all, than my natural ability do do it my damned self. It took ABS on motorcycles 20 years to stop faster than I can without it, fer fuck's sake. Why would this tech be different.

So far the only technology I'm over the moon about on the Panigale is the EBC. I love two-strokes! The TC ain't bad, either, and I'm sure it saved my bacon once so far. Quick shifter stays on, but I don't believe it's much better than loading the lever and a quick roll off roll on that's worked on road courses for the last hundred years. As to clutch less downshifts, if you need the damned thing, go get it. I would encourage you to figure out how it works so you can do it yourself, though....and developing a technique costs virtually nothing!

Jarel is a great guy for taking care of our community. No debate on that point. Why those who don't care for a particular electronic gadget are considered troglodytes to some is a bit offputting, though.

....i cannot say/speak for anyone else...but a lot of times we become (overly) comfortable with what we have and what we've been used to (resistance to change)....some people stayed knitted into the cloth they are made of, others tend to explore..i tend to enjoy trying the new stuff....

....like the electric starter....i just don't see putting a kick starter back on an 11/1299
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 07:27 PM   #44
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From where?? Just the strain gauge is $1057 and the Tuneboy reflash key and labor for reflash is $505 from Boulder Motorsports.
I got mine for under $500.00
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Old Oct 19th 2014, 05:00 AM   #45
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I talked to Brian at Boulder yestreday, he's checking into it to see if that's the same gauge as the one we've been using.
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Originally Posted by RD16RR View Post
...hey what the heck, lets get rid of power steering too.....and why bother with hydraulic brakes.....rotors and pads......"who needs them, when you got good ol fashioned shoes and drums" that give that real analog feel of swaying motion side to side while you hold on for dear life......swaying across lanes....
It's one thing to develop a better system (such as hydraulic brakes, disc brakes, etc.) but an entirely different thing to develop something that takes the place of a skill.

It's one thing to enhance a skill (better brakes). Quite another to eliminate the need for a skill (clutchless/paddle shifting). It's the reason I fully embrace monobloc calipers while disdaining ABS.

As for eliminating the clutch, you'd be screwed on a 2-stroke (what *real* racebikes use for power ).
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Every manufacturer is working on OEM versions of these systems, and EVERY sport bike produced in the near future is going to have these systems, as well as additional electronics, as standard equipment. No debate will alter that path, and there is zero chance that the manufacturers are going to change their mind on it, it's going to happen. So for vendors to come up with systems to retrofit prior models with the same technology seems logical for those who want the technology but aren't ready to replace their bike. Not everyone has to want or like the technology. The good news is that you don't have to buy it, and if you do get a new Ducati that has any kind of electronics on it, Ducati always gives you the option to turn it off. So what's there to complain about?
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Old Oct 20th 2014, 07:28 AM   #48
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Every manufacturer is working on OEM versions of these systems, and EVERY sport bike produced in the near future is going to have these systems, as well as additional electronics, as standard equipment. No debate will alter that path, and there is zero chance that the manufacturers are going to change their mind on it, it's going to happen. So for vendors to come up with systems to retrofit prior models with the same technology seems logical for those who want the technology but aren't ready to replace their bike. Not everyone has to want or like the technology. The good news is that you don't have to buy it, and if you do get a new Ducati that has any kind of electronics on it, Ducati always gives you the option to turn it off. So what's there to complain about?
NOT A THING !! except not having one yet
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I would definitely be down for the race version!
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Old Oct 21st 2014, 03:34 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by Gecko View Post
Race version for me.
But I doubt that it would be so easy to produce for the panigale.
I have the Cordona quick shifter, and they said over a year ago that they are going to implement the blipper "very soon". I guess as usual its the software/firmware they are failing to get completed..
Okay... I contacted Cordona again. They said I should contact befaster.de
They said their solution is not standalone, but based on Tuneboy. And I should contact another dealer in Switzerland

I really would like to have a blipper solution without messing around with the ECU!
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