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Old Mar 4th 2015, 06:34 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by mrbrettbaker View Post
Kaido, it might, its worth trying. Adjust them up, and as I stated, on the balls of your feet, lift your but up, and see if you can balance without falling forward. When I ride, especially when racing except on a long straight, I never actually sit on the seat, only just touching it.Other than the initial bar input ("banging the bars") any steering adjustments I make in the corner are done with my feet, outer knee and the throttle, but more on that later. In a perfect world I can squat on my pegs and not fall forward, or do so minimally and carry the little forward weight with my forearm on the side of the tank.
I'll post another step of the BP equation later today. This really needs to be worked on one piece at a time, as its too hard to do all at once. I will post it all up, but dissect it, master a portion, and move on. The trick is to make BP muscle memory BEFORE you get fast, then you already have those tools stored.
Bjorgens, that pic is texbook awesome BP, you just have to get the ergos sorted an the Pani and get over the new bike apprehension. I had racebody, sliders, dented replacement tank and aftermarket clipons and was still nervous. Putting an amazing penske rear shock on (weakest thing on our bikes) and a low side got me over it

thanks, i jump on the bike today with the rear stand on. try the things you mention and noticed straight away that when i was sitting back off the tank and turning my ankle my knee was lock in on the tank!

Looking forward to giving it a try at the track
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 06:36 AM   #42
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WOW! Thankyou so much for taking the time to write all that! I would greatly appreciate if you continue! If i live in US i definitely come to one of your sessions

I did what you suggested with the pegs position, i have move them forward (however i don't have much adjustment with the rimzoa rearsets) i am only 175cm (5.7ft) is it worth moving my rear sets up?
Kaido, you might consider flogging your Rizoma's and trying some Sato's; they can go 15-25mm forward of OEM and 5-35mm up from same. Just about all the other aftermarket ones seem to only offer positions that are back and up of the stockers.

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But definitely keep working on the BP; stay on the path you're on and you'll end up like this dude. F***ed for sure...
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 06:47 AM   #43
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Last year, I spent as much time practicing bp on my rear stand as I did on the track. I had my wife watch help me get my butt off the seat while still keeping my shoulders square. It did get better but it's a work in progress.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 06:54 AM   #44
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Putting an amazing penske rear shock on (weakest thing on our bikes) and a low side got me over it

Yeah... I just put K-Tech F&R on mine. Looking forward to feeling the difference. Penske definitely makes some nice stuff

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I'm running woodcraft and love them. Eric Wood knows Ducatis and designed them well.
Foot placement is often overlooked. Worked with a fast girl who was getting off the bike very square and head down, but was dragging her knee. I cut up under her on a long fast turn and discovered while she was on the ball of her foot, it was tight against the bike, and she was trying to swing her knee out pivoting at the ankle.you need to get the center of the ball of your foot on the end of the peg and rotate on them. If you look at the sole of a good racer's old boot , youll see a whole bored thru dead center of the ball area. Sidi makes a boot with a replaceable puck there.
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Originally Posted by mrbrettbaker View Post
I'm running woodcraft and love them. Eric Wood knows Ducatis and designed them well.
Foot placement is often overlooked. Worked with a fast girl who was getting off the bike very square and head down, but was dragging her knee. I cut up under her on a long fast turn and discovered while she was on the ball of her foot, it was tight against the bike, and she was trying to swing her knee out pivoting at the ankle.you need to get the center of the ball of your foot on the end of the peg and rotate on them. If you look at the sole of a good racer's old boot , youll see a whole bored thru dead center of the ball area. Sidi makes a boot with a replaceable puck there.
When you say rotate the ball of your foot, I'm thinking you mean to rotate your foot "out" so that the sole of your boot is no longer parallel to the peg - i.e.the peg is level while the sole of the boot is angled? I'm doing a shit job explaining it - maybe like you "roll" your foot off the end of the peg? Is your heel against the heel guard when you do so?
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Yes, exactly. Heel against guard (removed mine) and toe pointed in same direction as knee
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Originally Posted by mrbrettbaker View Post
Yes, exactly. Heel against guard (removed mine) and toe pointed in same direction as knee
Another one of my issues!
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I don't know if it's just me but Troy and some of the other old school riders look so twisted in the corners... but are still damn fast.
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It looks like I have a whole lot of work to do when I hit the track the end of May. The track I play on for the occassional track day (I only do 3-4 a year) is more of a 600 track. I can drag knees just fine, but I can still tell that my body is jarred up somewhere... I think I'm twisted up and although it has worked for years and years, I think this is my key to getting better as a rider, which has a direct lead into faster lap times.

With regards to seat position, if only I have $3500ish in my posket I'd get a tank just like Jake Holden is running on his AMA bike... That puts you back right where you should be positioned, IMO.
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