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Old Aug 2nd 2015, 08:47 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by wilkson View Post
The head angle goes from 24.5 to 24 degrees the swingarm remains the same length but 4 mm lower .

i had that done on mine and i see it as quit an improvement... seems to quiten down the bike, more stable under braking, steering sharper, flipping easier, keeping a tighter line... it dropped 2 seconds off at Valencia...
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Old Aug 7th 2015, 07:40 AM   #12
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So if you want to go -4, it's an adjustable setup from an R or else a 1299. You can get some of the effect by reducing your rear ride height, and get back the front geometry by raising the forks in the clamps, or else changing to the 24 degree steering head insert.
Good point, what is the difference between the -4 swingarm and just lowering the rear? which of the two would be more efficient in helping the bike keep the line during corner exit?
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Old Aug 8th 2015, 10:13 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by pedrin View Post
Good point, what is the difference between the -4 swingarm and just lowering the rear? which of the two would be more efficient in helping the bike keep the line during corner exit?
Well, the adjustable pivot lets you play with the anti-squat geometry alone and more effectively without messing with the overall chassis geometry. You still can, of course, but for other reasons. If you lower the rear for that reason, it lowers the overall CG and puts more weight on the back tire, which you may or may not want, plus it slows down the steering geometry a bit. You can compensate up front by lowering the front to match, but then you end up lower overall, which again you may or may not want. That's where mine is at the moment (about -6mm at the front and -8mm at the back). Best bet would be to go with the adjustable pivot and the new steering head insert, but it's worth playing with it as is to see how it responds for you. Easy to do and undo.
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Old Jul 10th 2019, 10:02 AM   #14
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does anyone have part numbers for this for a 2013 1199S to add the adjustable swing arm pivot?
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Old Jul 11th 2019, 12:27 AM   #15
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I Ride: 1299s 2016 with Evo update and 1199s 2012 track bike, Carrilo rods, RB evo, SSTK exhaust
1 75610332AA outer eccentric LH 1 47.12
3 75610321AA Eccentric LH 1 7.07
4 75610312AA Inner Eccentric LH 1 26.80
7 75610301BA Eccentric sleeve RH 1 69.21
21 86050051A Eccentric Pins LH 2 4.95
22 7715445BZ Swingarm bolts 2 3.43
23 71114631BA RH Engine mount 1 36.52
24 71114641BA LH engine mount 1 36.52

plus 1 or 2 swing arm Bearings-70250451A

i just did my 1199 and didnt use the 1199r side plates, i just made sure the eccentric ws in the 6 oclock position.
works well.
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Old Jul 11th 2019, 12:43 AM   #16
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1 75610332AA outer eccentric LH 1 47.12
3 75610321AA Eccentric LH 1 7.07
4 75610312AA Inner Eccentric LH 1 26.80
7 75610301BA Eccentric sleeve RH 1 69.21
21 86050051A Eccentric Pins LH 2 4.95
22 7715445BZ Swingarm bolts 2 3.43
23 71114631BA RH Engine mount 1 36.52
24 71114641BA LH engine mount 1 36.52

plus 1 or 2 swing arm Bearings-70250451A

i just did my 1199 and didnt use the 1199r side plates, i just made sure the eccentric ws in the 6 oclock position.
works well.
Was the install pretty straight forward? just replace all the parts you bought? Do you know of any guide online for the install?
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Old Jul 11th 2019, 12:59 AM   #17
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when you pull the swingarm it will be easy to see what pats need to be changed.
the left side ( gearchange) is just a new motor threaded insert and Eccentric axle.
the righ hand side ( rear brake pedal) you will have to knock out one bearing, inner or outer and fit the internal part number (4) and the drive pins each side of the Eccentric.

i have heard that the pn 75610301BA maybe not in stock at the moment so check availability on the set before ordering.

l did mine in about a hour once the exhaust was of and the bike was on a engine stand
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Old Jul 15th 2019, 09:08 PM   #18
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Forget to update the thread for a long time.
Here is what I found and did:

1. The difference between 1199 and 1299 is not the swingarm, it is the engine mount point for swingarm, the mount point is lowered by 4mm. (it is off center to the lower compared to 1199).

2. I ordered complete 1199R parts to complete the job, now happy with the -4mm setting.
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Originally Posted by crazybat View Post
Forget to update the thread for a long time.
Here is what I found and did:

1. The difference between 1199 and 1299 is not the swingarm, it is the engine mount point for swingarm, the mount point is lowered by 4mm. (it is off center to the lower compared to 1199).

2. I ordered complete 1199R parts to complete the job, now happy with the -4mm setting.
So you're saying that the difference is in the engine mounting points? Therefore the only way to get the 1299 pivot point onto an 1199 is to swap engines? (Or buy the 1199R parts)

This is a conversation that I've been wanting to do for awhile but the 1199R parts are pricey for a few pieces of metal. I'd rather put that money towards suspension.
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Old Jul 16th 2019, 07:32 PM   #20
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Thanks a ton guys for this update. No dealer is responding to me when I ask for parts and pricing.
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