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Old Jul 27th 2015, 08:33 AM   #1
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Smile 1299S Swingarm Pivot on 1199S

Just wondering if it is possible to change my 1199S swingarm pivot to a fixed -4 just like 1299S has?
I think I don't need the adjustable pivot like R version has. But -4 is the value I want to try...

Any ideas which parts are needed to be replaced?
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Old Jul 27th 2015, 08:42 AM   #2
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Great idea! Keep us posted on the progress!
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Old Jul 27th 2015, 10:12 AM   #3
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All of the relevant parts between the 1299S and 1199S look the same, except the 1299S swingarm has a different part number. The difference could be in the geometry of the arm.

I posted all of the part numbers needed to convert to a 1199R adjustable swingarm. I don't know if the expense and effort would justify the result.

On a side note...the plumbing to the charcoal canister changed with a valve being added on the vacuum line...interesting.
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Old Jul 30th 2015, 08:24 PM   #4
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Exactly what I found on the spare parts manual...
Look like the swingarm itself is the key on 1299S...

Any suggestion that if go 24 degree steering bush without -4mm on the swingarm? will it be very unstable ?

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All of the relevant parts between the 1299S and 1199S look the same, except the 1299S swingarm has a different part number. The difference could be in the geometry of the arm.

I posted all of the part numbers needed to convert to a 1199R adjustable swingarm. I don't know if the expense and effort would justify the result.

On a side note...the plumbing to the charcoal canister changed with a valve being added on the vacuum line...interesting.
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Old Jul 30th 2015, 09:46 PM   #5
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I did that, nota problem with the ohlins steering damper. So that you know, according to d. Moss the effect is the same as lowering the front
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Old Jul 30th 2015, 10:34 PM   #6
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Doesn't 1299 have a slightly steeper rake and slightly longer swingarm to give it that extra agility, better swingarm angle, and maintain wheelbase length?
Or maybe I am just imagining things...
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The head angle goes from 24.5 to 24 degrees the swingarm remains the same length but 4 mm lower .
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Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
All of the relevant parts between the 1299S and 1199S look the same, except the 1299S swingarm has a different part number. The difference could be in the geometry of the arm.

I posted all of the part numbers needed to convert to a 1199R adjustable swingarm. I don't know if the expense and effort would justify the result.
Definitely different part numbers for the left/right holders from my 1199 versus the 1299, but without an eccentric of some sort at the front pivot bolts like the R, I'm sure they're getting the '4mm drop with different engine cases anyway. The swingarm arm geometry wouldn't matter, since the relevant bit for swingarm geometry is the line between the front/rear swingarm axle centers relative to the countershaft sprocket. With non-offset pivot bolts like the original 1199 and the new 1299, they go straight through the holder and into the engine case. The only ways to drop the front center point of the swingarm 4mm relative to the countershaft are an eccentric, new cases with relocated swingarm mounting points (my guess, as the new cases have a start date of 15/1/15, while most of the related parts go back to 2011), or rotating the whole engine backwards significantly, which of course hasn't happened.

So if you want to go -4, it's an adjustable setup from an R or else a 1299. You can get some of the effect by reducing your rear ride height, and get back the front geometry by raising the forks in the clamps, or else changing to the 24 degree steering head insert.
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I think you need to analyze what problem you're trying to fix.

At some point you'd be better off to sell your bike and buy a 1299S.
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Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
I think you need to analyze what problem you're trying to fix.

At some point you'd be better off to sell your bike and buy a 1299S.
I think I may consider to go the "adjustable pivot"....
For me, I would consider to sell my bike for the next whole new generation of Ducati superbike.....1299S is like a facelift for me....

Thanks for the advise
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