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Old Jul 15th 2016, 02:54 AM   #1
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I thought it about time I put this up on here as well as the .co.uk forum which is more local for me.

Picked the new R up from Snell Performance a few weeks back and did a few hundred miles dodging thunderstorms and chasing the sun. Even on the reduced revs run in procedure the engine felt incredible. The bike is feather light and gives so much confidence that I was knee down through a couple of the fast corners on the next ride out which is something that has never happened on the road before. I don't even have knee sliders on some of my road leathers as there never seemed any point. It's an angry beast with the lumpy race cams and gets pretty hot when going slow through towns so wouldn't be much fun for the commute but for fast riding its incredible. I've kept hold of my S1000RR for now to use for long road journeys so the R will be doing track duty and a bit of fair weather riding. I still have the S which I'm hoping to go racing on after getting the licence sorted next month.
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Old Jul 15th 2016, 02:56 AM   #2
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Thoughts so far after 600km?

The engine is mind blowing even with the reduced revs that I'm running on at the moment. It's super responsive and so quick to spin up, but still with a shed load of low down grunt that you'd expect from a twin. It's feeling really strong and I'm excited to get use of the full revs. The bike is unbelievable light, I really love this aspect of it and can throw around so easily.
It's definitely not a commuter! The race cams are superbly angry and dont like low speeds so tend to make the bike surge in traffic. The seat gets noticeably hotter than my 1199S presumably for the same reason. I specifically didn't want the more friendly 1299S but if I was looking for a bike to travel on, do a bit of commuting and track days then I would definitely choose the 1299S over the R. Electronic suspension has come of age with the 1299S and the new S1000RR and for road riding I'm definitely sold. When you hit some bumpy road on the 1199S on race settings or the new R with it's stiff traditional suspension it feels like you have a puncture sometimes. With the 1199S you can at least just change modes whilst riding to soften the ride, and then flick back again when back on smooth roads which works well. No one would bother changing settings on normal mechanical suspension unless they knew they were on crap roads all the time, in which case there's no point having a bike like this anyhow.

So I'm most definitely in love with this bike and looking forward to using it properly. We've got track days at Snetterton and Brands Hatch GP coming up but it's not likely to pass the noise limits so the next definite date is Silverstone GP on 15th August for really stretching it's legs.
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Old Jul 15th 2016, 02:57 AM   #3
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I've done 1200km so had a couple of ride outs on full revs and really starting to get a feel for the bike now. The biggest difference isn't so much the extra 500 revs but the lightness of the rotating mass at high speed. Most bikes start to feel heavy to move side to side when the revs are high but the R still feels featherweight, it's an amazing experience.

The cams and engine tune are noticeably higher up in the rev range. The engine is best run above 7000rpm which feels weird at first because you end up running second gear for longer than normal and as there's a lot of power in such a lightweight chassis it takes practice before you feel balanced through corners. My 1199S took a few months of trackdays before I got the hang of how best to use my body position due to it being very sensitive and I think the R would be quite difficult to learn to ride well if I hadn't already spent a couple of years on the other Panigales. Stomp grip is essential as the trick for me has been to make sure I'm not grabbing onto the handle bars as that amplifies any headshake it picks up from the ground. With the R there's so much power and it's so lightweight that it's quite difficult to stop yourself from doing this. I did start to get more balanced and better once I changed a few suspension settings to calm the bike a bit.

The two ringed race pistons means the engine drinks a bit of oil. There's no noticeable smoking but it has gone from through about 600ml of oil in 800 miles which is a bit better than the Ducati guidelines of it using around 300ml per 500km / 300miles.

The suspension setup feels like it matters a lot more on such a lightweight bike. To start with the back was too stiff and the bike felt pretty crazy at high speeds in corners, a bit uncomfortably loose and a little scary at times. My riding was quite messy and with un-precise lines to first time I started using the revs. I took a couple of clicks off the rear compression and rebound and it has really helped to bring it all together again and make it feel like a lighter weight version of my 1199S which I'm happy to chuck around at will. I have not gone over the Sag/preload setup yet but once I do that I'll put some numbers up for people to compare.

I'm itching to get it on track but it's unlikely to pass noise testing at Brands Hatch and Snetterton in the next couple of weeks so it probably will not get out until Silverstone GP circuit on the 15th August. Thats going to be a long wait!
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Nice write up and glad you like it.

I'm amazed at how quickly this bike goes through the gears from 7k on it just surges towards the red line.

I also found the bike incredibly stiff, do you know what weight the bike is sprung for as I think I might need a light spring.
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Old Jul 15th 2016, 04:58 AM   #5
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Thanks, yes it's mind blowing how fast it revs, very impressive and really lets you see where the extra money goes.

I'm not sure what weight the bike is sprung for but being italian it's probably for someone 80-85kg max which luckily is my weight. I'm doing some setup over the weekend so I should be able to get some rough idea when I do the Sag and I'll post up the figures.
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Old Jul 15th 2016, 05:59 AM   #7
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I still have the S which I'm hoping to go racing on
Sorry, I might have missed the bit... why aren't you racing the R? And street-ride the S?
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Thanks, yes it's mind blowing how fast it revs, very impressive and really lets you see where the extra money goes.

I'm not sure what weight the bike is sprung for but being italian it's probably for someone 80-85kg max which luckily is my weight. I'm doing some setup over the weekend so I should be able to get some rough idea when I do the Sag and I'll post up the figures.
We are roughly the same weight, I changed mine a little and softened the front end a bit but the rear is very stiff and getting some headshake when driving out of corners.

my bike is at the track so i'll share my initial settings when I ride again which probably won't be till the end of August due to travels.
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Old Jul 15th 2016, 06:50 AM   #9
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Sorry, I might have missed the bit... why aren't you racing the R? And street-ride the S?
The original plan was to part ex my S1000RR for the R to use on track, convert the S back to street riding, then use something like Daytona 675 for racing because it would be cheaper and more practical.

Many UK tracks have low noise limits that the Panigales can't go on so it was a good man maths excuse to keep the BMW for noise limited tracks and street riding which it is better at than the Ducati.

I dont want to lose the Ducati warranty or make it more likely to crash the R so I'd rather race the S which is more than capable. Perhaps I'll change my mind later because the R is such a good bike but for now it seems like the best compromise.
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The original plan was to part ex my S1000RR for the R to use on track, convert the S back to street riding, then use something like Daytona 675 for racing because it would be cheaper and more practical.

Many UK tracks have low noise limits that the Panigales can't go on so it was a good man maths excuse to keep the BMW for noise limited tracks and street riding which it is better at than the Ducati.

I dont want to lose the Ducati warranty or make it more likely to crash the R so I'd rather race the S which is more than capable. Perhaps I'll change my mind later because the R is such a good bike but for now it seems like the best compromise.
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