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Old Apr 10th 2018, 12:17 PM   #1
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Does anyone run race / high octane fuel intermittently?

Hey guys, I just picked up a 2014 1199R this past weekend and I was considering running a tank of race fuel through it along with all the new other fluids I just had replaced. My Ducati dealer sells VP Racing Fuels and I only use 100+ octane in my SL. The SL isn't used as often as the 1199 will be so I definitely won't be using this fuel all the time and I know it's overkill so no need to tell me I'm wasting money. I'm just wondering if anyone else puts some through from time to time. Thanks!
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Old Apr 10th 2018, 02:13 PM   #2
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I highly doubt anyone does unless they are tuned for it. There's no benefit to using higher octane without proper tuning.
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Old Apr 10th 2018, 02:34 PM   #3
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I highly doubt anyone does unless they are tuned for it. There's no benefit to using higher octane without proper tuning.
True, I'm not looking for massive Fast and Furious-esque gains or anything. But the race fuel burns cleaner, cooler, etc. The C10 fuel (100 Octane) is generally meant for around 13:1 compression ratio from what I understand and the R is 12.5:1 and the SL is 13:1 so I figure it's a cleaner burn without the additives from pump gas - leads to less wear, better longevity, etc. It's more of a play on engine care than a quest for power in my mind.
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Waste of money and time, could also lead to engine damage if not built/tuned for it.
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Waste of money and time, could also lead to engine damage if not built/tuned for it.
No doubt about that. I'm not talking about 120 octane or anything close to that. My Ducati tech recommended using the 100 octane in the SL since that engine is more high strung. It definitely doesn't need a tune for 100. It probably doesn't make any difference at all to run a tank through now and then in the R so I'll probably just stick to pump 93. Was just curious to see what the general thinking was.
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don't leave race fuel in your bike for a few days it will cause damage.
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some race fuels are simply high octane gasoline some are high or lower octane gasoline mixed with other chemicals - oxygenators
if a race fuel is pure gasoline it cannot be above 100 octane.

in order to get above 100 octane lead or similar must be added

some fuels that are less than 100 octane but can have some harsh stuff added to it oxygenators for example.

gone are the days of wearing gloves and masks (remember the ELF fuel days)

so it is possible to buy pure 100 octane race gas and mix it with non ethanol gasoline 90 and technically you could have around 94 -95 gas and it would be about a ton better than the pump gas you buy at the gas station.

as others have said race fuel is probably not necessary , but IMO if your going to for the smell mix it with pump gas and do not get the race fuel with all the oxygenators added also stay away from av-gas aviation fuel can have some strange stuff in it unless you know what is in it do not do it.

pure 100 octane race gas with out any additives will not hurt your bike especially if you mix it with pump gas 50/50

straight 100 race fuel runs cooler than pump gas and is cleaner burning
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I would see no use in running different fuel. A good ethanol free gas would be best. Mixing race fuel with pump gas doesn't make much sense either. The mixed fuels don't combine at the molecular level, ie. 100 octane mixed 50/50 with 90 octane doesn't = 95 octane. Your simply just putting two different fuels with different burn rates in your combustion chamber at the same time. Also making big changes in combustion temperatures will likely require cooler or hotter spark plugs depending on what fuel you use.
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all gasoline you or I buy comes from the same refineries even race gasoline

VP fuels does not own a refinery they buy their base stock fuel fro phillips 66 LOL
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most gasoline you buy at the pump is a mixture of different octanes fuels

usually gasoline is mixed with chemicals at the refinery to make it road worthy and meet its 10% ethanal .

Race gas usually starts out as 100 octane Pure race fuel without lead added . this base fuel is the lightest hydrocarbon fuel it floats to the top shelf of the refinery gasoline does not mix or not mix at the molecular level that makes not sense.

once fuels are mixed they are one burn rate btu you cannot get a unmixed burn rate in the combustion chamber. most ethanal fuel additives actually increase octane and decrease temperature.
ethanol however is hell on your rubber hoses and fuel pumps unless the manufacturers compensate for this which they do now ..

here is an interesting factoid E85 is over 100 octane and runs much cooler
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Also, beware some race gas like C12 will have lead in it.
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