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Old Mar 31st 2012, 05:29 PM   #71
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Originally Posted by DRSapp View Post
For those that missed the WSBK Supepole today; At the start of the first session, I noticednthe same white smoke formCheca's bike when the techs started it and were backing it out of the pit box.

Don't know if that means anything other than he had no issues with the bike, riding the ol girl to 3rd on the grid and a front row start.
WHAT? 3rd? With a bike that is so far ahead of the game, he should have got pole with a country mile to spare.
It must be the white smoke which is holding the bike back.. lol
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Old Mar 31st 2012, 05:37 PM   #72
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Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
If it does become an issue, all of those posters who said "it's no big deal", please just suck it up and don't bitch later.
I'm sure you'll be the first to put your hand up should it turn out to be nothing also?
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Old Mar 31st 2012, 07:20 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by littlejohn View Post
WHAT? 3rd? With a bike that is so far ahead of the game, he should have got pole with a country mile to spare.
It must be the white smoke which is holding the bike back.. lol
remember, he's still riding last year's 1198...

And I hope you guys aren't going to start posting up spoilers... I record all of the races and watch it later in the week when I have time.
I don't want to "accidentally" run across the outcomes of thing like pole position and race results because I'm on this forum and on a completely unrelated thread....
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Old Mar 31st 2012, 08:32 PM   #74
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Originally Posted by flynbulldog View Post
remember, he's still riding last year's 1198...

And I hope you guys aren't going to start posting up spoilers... I record all of the races and watch it later in the week when I have time.
I don't want to "accidentally" run across the outcomes of thing like pole position and race results because I'm on this forum and on a completely unrelated thread....
Oh yeah.. forgot.. that explains everything.. lol. So the point was.. the 1198 smoked aswell?
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Old Apr 1st 2012, 01:05 AM   #75
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Lots of interesting and good thoughts there Chuck.

Couple of points I want to hit back, if I may.....

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The video shows white smoke coming from the exhaust under acceleration. I laugh when I hear people call this type of 'issue' a "design feature" lol. feature?
At this stage I just can't get on board with all the speculating and scaremongering. When I say design-feature, I just expect there is a perfectly rational reason behind the phenomenon we are seeing.

One thing for sure, I don't believe that all the R&D engineers, test riders and thoroughly expert people involved in the 1199 project didn't notice something as obvious as this, during development and production process.


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It's a damn flaw. REGARDLESS of any explanation.
Come on Chuck, there could be many explanations:

- a production residue that Termi have left in the cans and pipes???

- the bedding in process of the engine

- oil grade used for break-in

Just really can't say "regardless".


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Someone mentioned Porsche doing the same thing...not sure what they own but none of my 3 Porsches smokes in the least.
Me again Chuck I'm a reasonably prolific Porsche purchaser and have been for the last 15-years. All my cars have been bought from new, so broken in identically. My only "smoker" (so far) was a 2007 Cayman, which I purchased after great experiences with 2x 987 Boxsters that shared the same engine - didn't get the options right first time

Google for "boxster smoking on start up" and have a read, also PistonHeads Porsche forum (I think for 987 & 997). Not a big deal, just a little embarrassing when your car gets engulfed in a grey cloud - yes it was that bad

Wouldn't be good if we all jumped to the defence of DMH, just on this issue maybe I'm just a bit more positive and optimistic
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Old Apr 1st 2012, 03:22 AM   #76
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Those are some good points and you're right, it does seem likely that after so much testing someone would have pointed out something as obvious as white smoke. Hopefully it does turn out to be nothing. If this was a serious or unexpected problem people closest to the exhaust upon startup would certainly have taken notice, although they WERE drinking. lol : )
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Those are some good points and you're right, it does seem likely that after so much testing someone would have pointed out something as obvious as white smoke. Hopefully it does turn out to be nothing. If this was a serious or unexpected problem people closest to the exhaust upon startup would certainly have taken notice, although they WERE drinking. lol : )
Fingers and everything else crossed Chuck

Maybe they thought it looked nice, so broke out the drinks early

Wonder if the Austin Racing boys noticed anything ...... or did they all pass out from smoke inhalation already
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My finger is not close to the panic button yet.

I don't care if it puffs out a bit of smoke here and there as long everything else works as anticipated.

And I suspect it is a ring sealing issue that will minimalize after break in.

But keep in mind that this may be a problem that was not evident until early production (as opposed to initial production), so Ducati's engineers may be hearing about this at the same time we do.
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Old Apr 1st 2012, 02:13 PM   #79
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On a positive note, at least the smoke comes out the side....smoking S1000rr's at the lights could take on a whole new meaning!
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So what are people doing about it other than bitching on here?
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