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Old Mar 30th 2012, 01:47 PM   #11
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Of course beginners should buy 1199s!!!

How else can A) guys like me get a good deal on track day salvage insurace write-offs. And B) We thin the herd.
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Old Mar 30th 2012, 02:08 PM   #12
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All the electronic nannies are making newbs think they can't fail.
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Old Mar 30th 2012, 02:21 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by turnone View Post
Start small, learn to ride and survive around cars, road conditions, etc.
Once you can ride the small bike up to the BIKE's potential, get the bike of your dreams.
I have ridden numerous bikes over the years, but still can have fun on a 50cc bike.
@Chris, thanks, I am inclined to think to follow your advice. Really I will need to learn a lot.

Originally Posted by tstephenson View Post
Take a used bike ride it until most everthing is second nature - all you want to do is get a lot of time on the road or track.
@tstephenson, I am afraid of a used bike can have a number of troubles that do not understand a beginner but which may affect the general background of riding

Originally Posted by Bronston View Post
I had a K1200s BMW knocked over at the curb while parked and the repair cost $6500!

Just remember, it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow.

Troy Bayliss said the 1199 is faster than his race-prepared, world chamionship winning bike.
Seriously, no matter the individual, that's no place to start.

Get a modest bike, and develop the needed "muscle memory", then go shopping for your dream bike. You don't need a superbike to enjoy the excitment of motorcycling, in fact a superbike to early might be a disaster finacially and/or physically.
@Bronston, agree with more fun slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
You right that it is not place to start.
All riders are advised this likely I'll take the small bike.


Originally Posted by FrostyFire View Post
Money doesn't buy you skill. Time and experience.
There are two types of riders, those that have been down, and those that are going down. You probably WILL drop/crash your first bike.
@FrostyFire, It is not about money.
If you start use new good engine (maybe not top) it is better than you start use used.
As a beginner you just do not understand bad used bike.
And you can deal with those problems that do not have to deal.
I just want the bike to be more focused on my skills rather than stand out in a crowd.


Originally Posted by Mhobson View Post
I'd still suggest a smaller bike, maybe 600, as you're less likely to get into trouble, but if you really really want a 1199 then they only go as quick as you want them to go. I'd definately advise track time though.
@Mhobson, I will plan track advice before any bike, of course.


Originally Posted by ukrr View Post
I have ridden a panigale and would say that a newbie riding it would expose themselves to un necessary risk and also not be able to unlock anywhere close to the potential the bike has to offer. A dangerous waste of money.
@ukrr, yeah, huge risk must be taken in attention

Thanks @Chris, @tstephenson, @Bronston, @FrostyFire, @Mhobson and @ukrr. @szczypek and @512BB let start the trottle.
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Originally Posted by leebeeone View Post
I totally agree wit the above posts start small and work your way up if you want to take a short cut then take professional training. I think if you are not to hot headed you could go for a 600 but no more. The person who said he has not dropped their bike has one coming, I do not know of any experienced motor cyclist who hasn't had a fall
@leebeeone, Yes, start with small.

Originally Posted by consolidated View Post
All the electronic nannies are making newbs think they can't fail.
@consolidated, I think about electronic nannies, and questions what bike have some nannies systems like 1199!?

Originally Posted by superfly999 View Post
Of course beginners should buy 1199s!!!
How else can A) guys like me get a good deal on track day salvage insurace write-offs. And B) We thin the herd.
Are you from another herd!? Herd from good people with good deals!!! Congratulations
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Old Mar 30th 2012, 03:12 PM   #15
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I Ride: Ducati 848
My advice would be to start on an 848. Lets face it to ride the panegale for the way it is made is not for a beginner. you cant ride a bike fast and safley with out experience. This is a bike that will go best on the track. It is made to go fast.
A beginner could ride this bike... a beginner could ride any bike but that person is still a tyro.
The 848 is a perfect bike for beginners for this reason. It doesnt do anything particularly nasty and yet you can ride as fast as anybody else in tighter hiily stuff where the bike excells get all the experince you need and then move up. I find that most riders lose enthusiasm after 200k on roads. r1 suzuki 1000s, 1098, 1198 etc and the 848 will do about 270.It just comes back to the rider.

Start on an easy bike and learn to minimise risk in everything you do.

I met a guy the other day on a beautiful looking 1098s the rear tire told the whole story without looking at the front. He said he didnt like to take risks which is fair enough.
Everybody buys a bike for different reasons.

If you buy the panegale then just stay in your experince envelope and build out.

Read Keith Codes book twist of the wrist 2 and dont make the 7 mistakes or survival reactions that all new riders do.
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Whilst I agree with all the comments above. What I don't get is why people feel you must ride a bike at it's full potential.
Assuming the OP has the right mental demeanour / attitude / maturity, and takes few additional advance rider's courses, then riding the Pani should be no different to any other bike.

Does everyone on this forum who's buying a Pani, plan on wringing every last drop of performance out of it?
Perhaps I'm just old and have no sense of fun, because all I plan on doing with mine is use it as commuter with the odd weekend cruise thrown in for good measure. I will never come any where close to discovering the limits of this bike, all I really want to do is ride around on a nice looking bike that feels good.
Over the past 12 months I've considered everything on the market, even scooters, but to me, the only bikes that jumped out at me were the Ducatis. I had my eye on an 1198s, but then pics of the Pani came out so I decided to hold off.
Went to the dealer a month ago and had a chat and was sold. I sat on one last week and could not be happier that I've got one on order.

If the OP would like more meaning responses than "no way, bad idea", perhaps he/she could give more info about him/herself. Like age, height, other interests, intended use etc etc.

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Old Mar 30th 2012, 03:15 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by skontakt View Post

@FrostyFire, It is not about money.
If you start use new good engine (maybe not top) it is better than you start use used.
As a beginner you just do not understand bad used bike.
And you can deal with those problems that do not have to deal.
I just want the bike to be more focused on my skills rather than stand out in a crowd.
Dude, you don't have any skill.

You can also buy a brand new FZ6, GS500, SV650 to focus on your mad skills.

It's actually troublesome that the 1199 has so many electronic aids. It's going to teach new riders to that it's okay to be unskilled because the electronics will save you. Then when it comes time to ride a different bike you kill yourself.

A 16 year old shouldn't drive a Ferrari as a first car either whether they can afford it or not.
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Originally Posted by littlejohn View Post
Whilst I agree with all the comments above. What I don't get is why people feel you must ride a bike at it's full potential.
Assuming the OP has the right mental demeanour / attitude / maturity, and takes few additional advance rider's courses, then riding the Pani should be no different to any other bike.

Does everyone on this forum who's buying a Pani, plan on wringing every last drop of performance out of it?
Perhaps I'm just old and have no sense of fun, because all I plan on doing with mine is use it as commuter with the odd weekend cruise thrown in for good measure. I will never come any where close to discovering the limits of this bike, all I really want to do is ride around on a nice looking bike that feels good.
Over the past 12 months I've considered everything on the market, even scooters, but to me, the only bikes that jumped out at me were the Ducatis. I had my eye on an 1198s, but then pics of the Pani came out so I decided to hold off.
Went to the dealer a month ago and had a chat and was sold. I sat on one last week and could not be happier that I've got one on order.

If the OP would like more meaning responses than "no way, bad idea", perhaps he/she could give more info about him/herself. Like age, height, other interests, intended use etc etc.

Agree!
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Originally Posted by Pogley View Post
My advice would be to start on an 848. Lets face it to ride the panegale for the way it is made is not for a beginner. you cant ride a bike fast and safley with out experience. This is a bike that will go best on the track. It is made to go fast.
A beginner could ride this bike... a beginner could ride any bike but that person is still a tyro.
The 848 is a perfect bike for beginners for this reason. It doesnt do anything particularly nasty and yet you can ride as fast as anybody else in tighter hiily stuff where the bike excells get all the experince you need and then move up. I find that most riders lose enthusiasm after 200k on roads. r1 suzuki 1000s, 1098, 1198 etc and the 848 will do about 270.It just comes back to the rider.

Start on an easy bike and learn to minimise risk in everything you do.

I met a guy the other day on a beautiful looking 1098s the rear tire told the whole story without looking at the front. He said he didnt like to take risks which is fair enough.
Everybody buys a bike for different reasons.

If you buy the panegale then just stay in your experince envelope and build out.

Read Keith Codes book twist of the wrist 2 and dont make the 7 mistakes or survival reactions that all new riders do.
@Pogley, thanks for a good analysis of my situation.
I look also at 848 and also carefully chose him as 1199.

I will read Keith Codes. Found it in Russian

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Old Mar 30th 2012, 04:17 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by littlejohn View Post
If the OP would like more meaning responses than "no way, bad idea", perhaps he/she could give more info about him/herself. Like age, height, other interests, intended use etc etc.
29 age
186 cm (6.1 ft)
86 kg
Good physical shape

I want bike to ride fast and smart.
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