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Old Apr 26th 2015, 03:33 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by SPJ View Post
I'm beginning to wonder if there is someone out there, creating usernames and posting these first bike posts for a laugh....

In the event you are serious and you intend to ride, get a smaller bike and learn the basics, buy a bigger bike later and be sensible in the first few years.

About a week ago I followed a guy on a CBR600. He was all over the place and I suspect had just passed his test. Could barely touch the ground, no clutch control and clearly had low confidence. Add in a Panigale and he'd have been through the first hedge he'd come to.
Since when is touching the ground considered safe? Just like the other guy talking about being "good", you guys come off to me as trying to say that, if you can't ride how you would on a track, you aren't good/are a danger to others.

I feel like its just human nature but the art of puffing oneself up in order to feel better/superior to others doing the same thing really is evident here in the motorcycle community. You get it in video games a lot and I feel like the people who ride motorcycles think of themselves as some kind of superhero's like they are special or somehow extremely skilled for doing something that well, lets be honest, anyone who gets into an accident on a bike deserves a darwin award. Its one of the most dangerous things you can do.

Perfect example of that is the guys who laugh at someone who hasn't use up their "chicken strips". I would imagine diving that deep into a corner in most cases is unnecessary, but people do it anyway either to prove their own abilities to others or themselves, and almost everyone likes to try and elevate themselves above others, as the guy who I originally had a dialog with used a generic diss/putdown like squid in just his second post.

I do not doubt that you guys are right, it would certainly be better for a new rider to start on a smaller bike, and I may do just that. I was thinking of just the base 1299 panigale, I don't see spending an extra 5-6k on a bike I'd never bring to a track. But a used 250 or 300 for a summer, why not? You guys are right, and no, I'm not looking for validation.

I was looking for different opinions on things etc. Obviously everyone has a different story and usually, when people do things a certain way and it works for them, people are quick to say "no you should do it this way" because they have no experience trying it some other way.

My friend with the Busa is probably a better rider than at least some of you here, regardless of how you started or what bike you first rode, in the dirt or tarmac, etc etc.

At the end of the day, I still have not even ridden a motorcycle, I'm 25, I don't have a huge ego, and I like to do things only for myself, and I don't try to impress people. This summer or next, once I actually have saved enough to put a down payment on a bike I like, I will try one of those motorcycle classes where they give you a bike and they teach you etc.

Maybe I won't even like riding, who knows. Maybe I'll feel not so confident and get a small bike or maybe I'll feel great and get the 1299. Who knows.

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Old Apr 26th 2015, 03:35 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by outhouse View Post
Can it save some dude when he flies into a corner to hot and blows that double yellow?
Doesn't matter what type of motorcycle you are on if that happens. You obviously didn't read or fully compehend what I was I trying to get across. Try again.
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Old Apr 26th 2015, 03:40 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by SecretlyaFish View Post
Since when is touching the ground considered safe? Just like the other guy talking about being "good", you guys come off to me as trying to say that, if you can't ride how you would on a track, you aren't good/are a danger to others.

I feel like its just human nature but the art of puffing oneself up in order to feel better/superior to others doing the same thing really is evident here in the motorcycle community. You get it in video games a lot and I feel like the people who ride motorcycles think of themselves as some kind of superhero's like they are special or somehow extremely skilled for doing something that well, lets be honest, anyone who gets into an accident on a bike deserves a darwin award. Its one of the most dangerous things you can do.

Perfect example of that is the guys who laugh at someone who hasn't use up their "chicken strips". I would imagine diving that deep into a corner in most cases is unnecessary, but people do it anyway either to prove their own abilities to others or themselves, and almost everyone likes to try and elevate themselves above others, as the guy who I originally had a dialog with used a generic diss/putdown like squid in just his second post.

I do not doubt that you guys are right, it would certainly be better for a new rider to start on a smaller bike, and I may do just that. I was thinking of just the base 1299 panigale, I don't see spending an extra 5-6k on a bike I'd never bring to a track. But a used 250 or 300 for a summer, why not? You guys are right, and no, I'm not looking for validation.

I was looking for different opinions on things etc. Obviously everyone has a different story and usually, when people do things a certain way and it works for them, people are quick to say "no you should do it this way" because they have no experience trying it some other way.

My friend with the Busa is probably a better rider than at least some of you here, regardless of how you started or what bike you first rode, in the dirt or tarmac, etc etc.

At the end of the day, I still have not even ridden a motorcycle, I'm 25, I don't have a huge ego, and I like to do things only for myself, and I don't try to impress people. This summer or next, once I actually have saved enough to put a down payment on a bike I like, I will try one of those motorcycle classes where they give you a bike and they teach you etc.

Maybe I won't even like riding, who knows. Maybe I'll feel not so confident and get a small bike or maybe I'll feel great and get the 1299. Who knows.

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You posted asking questions...you have answers/opinions.... so ... you can read them in the spirit in which they were posted...or you can ignore them totally your choice...but I do not think you can realistically expect anyone to support the idea of a litre bike as your 1st bike....its ludicrous to expect any rational person to say "that's a great idea"" Be safe out there and please think about this...seriously...
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Originally Posted by SecretlyaFish View Post
Since when is touching the ground considered safe? Just like the other guy talking about being "good", you guys come off to me as trying to say that, if you can't ride how you would on a track, you aren't good/are a danger to others.

I feel like its just human nature but the art of puffing oneself up in order to feel better/superior to others doing the same thing really is evident here in the motorcycle community. You get it in video games a lot and I feel like the people who ride motorcycles think of themselves as some kind of superhero's like they are special or somehow extremely skilled for doing something that well, lets be honest, anyone who gets into an accident on a bike deserves a darwin award. Its one of the most dangerous things you can do.

Perfect example of that is the guys who laugh at someone who hasn't use up their "chicken strips". I would imagine diving that deep into a corner in most cases is unnecessary, but people do it anyway either to prove their own abilities to others or themselves, and almost everyone likes to try and elevate themselves above others, as the guy who I originally had a dialog with used a generic diss/putdown like squid in just his second post.

I do not doubt that you guys are right, it would certainly be better for a new rider to start on a smaller bike, and I may do just that. I was thinking of just the base 1299 panigale, I don't see spending an extra 5-6k on a bike I'd never bring to a track. But a used 250 or 300 for a summer, why not? You guys are right, and no, I'm not looking for validation.

I was looking for different opinions on things etc. Obviously everyone has a different story and usually, when people do things a certain way and it works for them, people are quick to say "no you should do it this way" because they have no experience trying it some other way.

My friend with the Busa is probably a better rider than at least some of you here, regardless of how you started or what bike you first rode, in the dirt or tarmac, etc etc.

At the end of the day, I still have not even ridden a motorcycle, I'm 25, I don't have a huge ego, and I like to do things only for myself, and I don't try to impress people. This summer or next, once I actually have saved enough to put a down payment on a bike I like, I will try one of those motorcycle classes where they give you a bike and they teach you etc.

Maybe I won't even like riding, who knows. Maybe I'll feel not so confident and get a small bike or maybe I'll feel great and get the 1299. Who knows.

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Who the fuck knows . Obviously no one here .
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Originally Posted by wilkson View Post
Who the fuck knows . Obviously no one here .
Aw, don't be hostile. If you still feel like that I can direct you to the tampon aisle. I know an alternative viewpoint is hard for most people to deal with
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Originally Posted by SecretlyaFish View Post
Aw, don't be hostile. If you still feel like that I can direct you to the tampon aisle. I know an alternative viewpoint is hard for most people to deal with
Dude...really???? You are the one being somewhat of an agent provocatuer here... Please just accept the opinions...or not
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You posted asking questions...you have answers/opinions.... so ... you can read them in the spirit in which they were posted...or you can ignore them totally your choice...but I do not think you can realistically expect anyone to support the idea of a litre bike as your 1st bike....its ludicrous to expect any rational person to say "that's a great idea"" Be safe out there and please think about this...seriously...
I fully understand, and I appreciate your opinion. I was at least hoping someone would be more open minded, and not so passive aggressive as some people have been here.

People talk here about correcting mistakes etc. How many mistakes can one make on a motorcycle before their time is up? Wouldn't it be better to not have the mistake in the first place entirely. If you had a motorcycle that could essentially eliminate almost all rider error from the equation, wouldn't that be best?

Riding a motorcycle is like Steve Irwin learning to wrestle crocodiles and figure out how their behavior works. How many mistakes can Steve afford to make before he is killed?

Some people say its good to have certain skills as to be able to swerve out of the way of an accident etc. I remember my friends dad telling us to NEVER buy a motorcycle with abs. But that's old news. New ABS can outstop anyone manually inputting it. So all of a sudden, one guy might not need to swerve and risk himself even more, he can simply hit the brakes as hard as he can and come to a stop 25 feet before the next guy who doesn't have it. And he doesn't have to worry about flying over the bars either.
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Originally Posted by Stw View Post
Dude...really???? You are the one being somewhat of an agent provocatuer here... Please just accept the opinions...or not
If someone is going to act like a cee u next tuesday, I can do it too.
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Originally Posted by SecretlyaFish View Post
Aw, don't be hostile. If you still feel like that I can direct you to the tampon aisle. I know an alternative viewpoint is hard for most people to deal with
Good one . What's your point here ?
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Doesn't matter what type of motorcycle you are on if that happens. You obviously didn't read or fully compehend what I was I trying to get across. Try again.
But you might have the IQ of a fence post if you think you will blow as many corners on a 250 as a 9s 1/4 mile bike.

Its you that doesn't understand quite a bit here.
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