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Old Apr 26th 2015, 01:10 PM   #1
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Which is safer to ride as a first bike?

So, from what I have read over years and years as a motorcycle fan, usually people when suggesting a first bike fall into 2 groups. The people that say you must start on a 250 or below etc bike that is used and blah blah blah. And then there are the people that say, get whatever bike you want, it will only go as fast as you let it.

Both have their merits. For example, a new rider like myself would undoubtedly feel a lot more at ease on a used 250, for a number of reasons. Less things to worry about, and you won't be as scared/hesitant to ride a certain way, because you don't wanna drop your brand new 20k bike. That point is one of the best.

On the other hand, we have the bike bikes. Hayabusa's, Gsxr 1000s, Zx10R's, R1's etc. Lets say, all pre 2008. These are fine bikes, but they do have an enormous amount of power it could be easy to see someone not pay attention for a few seconds and make a mistake.

Then we have the motorcycles of today. The 1299, the Aprilia RSV4, S1000RR, the new R1. All of these bikes have very advanced traction control, wheelie control, stoppie control systems, as well as cutting edge abs.

In a recent test, I think it was the Suzuki 750 vs Triumph 675 vs Ducati 899. The Ducati was the only one with ABS, and out braked the others from 60mph by around 25 feet. That is a huge amount.

We are coming to the point now when technology can cover a huge amount of rider errors, and at the point now too when, in some cases, the motorcycle is simply faster with the electronics on, because not only do they not hold the bike back anymore they enhance it better than any rider could manually.

So, in your opinion, what is safer, a 250 ninja from say 1995, or a brand new Panigale 1299. Most mistakes that happen on a motorcycle can either trash the bike or end your life. If a person hits you from behind or cuts you off forcing you into a guard rail, won't matter what bike you are on. The 1299 has a wet mode, traction control, wheelie and stoppie control, and advanced abs. Would these things not make up for the greater amount of power that the motorcycle has. Would the Ducati by default because of these systems be the safer bike?
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The electronics on the new bikes make them somewhat safer for new riders, but the 1299 demands an experienced rider in my opinion or you could quickly find yourself in over your head.

Best place to learn is in the dirt on an MX bike, than take a few track schools on a smaller street bike
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This is a joke right? You broke my lurking vibe
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Old Apr 26th 2015, 01:26 PM   #4
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This is a joke right? You broke my lurking vibe
At the end of the day, people are going to ride what they are going ride. I've got a few friends that started on an old gixxer and one friend was a small guy, under 120lbs, and he started on a 2001 Hayabusa. Both are still alive and kicking, never had any accidents.

My point is, if someone is just going to buy w/e bike they want anyways, will they be safer on an old supersport/superbike or a new superbike with all the goodies.
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Becoming a good rider should be the goal, not just avoiding accidents. Put an inexperienced kid on a Busa and they will likely be a squid for life with little or no skill
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Becoming a good rider should be the goal, not just avoiding accidents. Put an inexperienced kid on a Busa and they will likely be a squid for life with little or no skill
He rides track events now, or did when we actually had a track here. What bike you start on literally has no correlation to what an individual can learn to do. All depends on the individual. For me, I don't care about being a "good" rider. As long as I can be safe and have fun riding the bike, that is all that matters to me. I don't care about hot fast I can cut a corner or impressing people who might think because I can't corner as fast or w/e, that I suck.

Only reason I would ride a bike is to satisfy myself, nobody else.
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What bike you start on literally has no correlation to what an individual can learn to do.
An inexperienced rider on a high power machine tends to stunt that person's learning curve - look at Kenny Roberts, he always starts his new riders out in the dirt on smaller machines to learn the basics of throttle control, braking, etc before they move up
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Originally Posted by fzr100098 View Post
An inexperienced rider on a high power machine tends to stunt that person's learning curve - look at Kenny Roberts, he always starts his new riders out in the dirt on smaller machines to learn the basics of throttle control, braking, etc before they move up
Not everybody has the time or money to do that and also suggests that its the only way someone can learn properly which simply isn't true. I am never going to some whiz on a motorcycle. I don't need to be good, I just need to be safe and enjoy it.

People are so preoccupied with how other people view them etc in all kinds of things they usually fall in line and just do what other people want them to/think they should do. Like calling someone a squid for example, someone may start off with a 125 instead of a 250 for fear his friends or, god forbid, people on the internet may think he is a squid.

I would imagine the Ducati in wet mode being driven as a commuter would be no different than driving a 600cc bike, only the throttle response would be much gentler on the panigale.
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Calculators are available now...but its still wise to learn how to add subtract divide and multiply.....
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Not everybody has the time or money to do that and also suggests that its the only way someone can learn properly which simply isn't true.
*sigh* think I'm done here - if you want to be a good rider you start on smaller machines and get training, period - it's like that is any sport, you don't learn in an F1 car or start on a black diamond run. Lazy people always want a short cut.

I don't need to be good...
I rest my case, but if you're an unskilled rider on the streets, you're a danger to yourself and others
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