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Old May 4th 2015, 07:28 PM   #41
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It all comes down the the deal that's available to me...whichever model the dealer is more apt to discount will be coming home with me.
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Old May 4th 2015, 07:42 PM   #42
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Good luck, most dealers I've talked to are discounting very little and the bikes are selling anyway. Next year the deals will be there
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Old May 4th 2015, 11:23 PM   #43
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I originally typed revalved then I typed reworked then I replaced it with upgraded. But I get what you're saying. I agree with what you're saying I just believe it's really what a person wants more than how capable the base vs s is. Not sure the el suspension would be useful on a track without modification or maybe even just running it fixed.
I agree completely, 100% (bold part). We are discussing 2 of the fastest, lightest, most technologically advanced motorcycles ever produced (base vs S). There isn't a single person on this board, myself included, who can say they are such a good rider and they need a bike that is more capable. A more capable bike simply doesn't exist.

From the reports I have read (especially from racers who have tested it) EC suspension has come a long way and now with the S model, it actually offers benefits on the track vs conventional suspension.

Suspension setup is ALWAYS a balance of trying to get the bike to work as good as possible, for as many corners/sections as possible. There are always places you are making sacrifices...you just have to give up those places to make the bike work better for the majority.

With the EC on the S, you get a bike that could theoretically be good everywhere. In earlier editions on other bikes, before the current IMU, the EC suspension was more of a gimmick. Now, it is a useful tool. You can get the spring rate how you need it, then you have a bike that will adjust rebound and compression for every corner.
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Old May 4th 2015, 11:27 PM   #44
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Not as much torque though, esp low and midrange (where you use it on the street)
We are really splitting hairs. The R1 (unrestricted and with an exhaust) makes something like 87lb/ft of torque. That is only about 10lb/ft or so less than the 1299. Very few riders will be able to notice that. And 87lb/ft is WAY more than anybody needs on the street. My Sprint only has about 60lb/ft and it pulls very hard, harder than anybody really needs on the street.

Not to mention the R1 is $8k cheaper. You can find ways to get/manipulate torque for a lot less than $8k.

The R1 is just as good (and in some eyes, better) than the 1299...and costs $8k less.

I understand this is a brand based forum and people will obviously be biased. But I look at bikes objectively, for what they are and what they can do. The name is irrelevant. And the R1 is the better value, without question.

Like I said, I only went with the 1299S because it is legal in more race classes since it is a Twin.
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The R1 is a better value, but it's also just another Japanese bike. It's not really a fair comparison to compare modded to unmodded. The low and midrange torque of the 1299 is always going to tower over the R1, its torque peak is way up there - fine for the track, not so great for twisty mountain roads. Depending on how much you shop around, the cost difference between the Base 1299 and the R1 is about 4-5k, and I believe the 1299 is a higher quality machine (and it looks better)
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Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
I agree completely, 100% (bold part). We are discussing 2 of the fastest, lightest, most technologically advanced motorcycles ever produced (base vs S). There isn't a single person on this board, myself included, who can say they are such a good rider and they need a bike that is more capable. A more capable bike simply doesn't exist.

From the reports I have read (especially from racers who have tested it) EC suspension has come a long way and now with the S model, it actually offers benefits on the track vs conventional suspension.

Suspension setup is ALWAYS a balance of trying to get the bike to work as good as possible, for as many corners/sections as possible. There are always places you are making sacrifices...you just have to give up those places to make the bike work better for the majority.

With the EC on the S, you get a bike that could theoretically be good everywhere. In earlier editions on other bikes, before the current IMU, the EC suspension was more of a gimmick. Now, it is a useful tool. You can get the spring rate how you need it, then you have a bike that will adjust rebound and compression for every corner.
If your a fast racer you will swap out the electronic suspension for intermediate and novice it will be fine with tuning .
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When I jumped on a 2015 S1000RR right after I test rode the 1299, I couldn't believe the difference below 6k, it was literally like there was nothing there - again, that doesn't matter on the track, but it was night and day
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The R1 is a better value, but it's also just another Japanese bike. It's not really a fair comparison to compare modded to unmodded. The low and midrange torque of the 1299 is always going to tower over the R1, its torque peak is way up there - fine for the track, not so great for twisty mountain roads. Depending on how much you shop around, the cost difference between the Base 1299 and the R1 is about 4-5k, and I believe the 1299 is a higher quality machine (and it looks better)
As far as being "just another Japanese bike", that is bringing other elements to the discussion like "soul" and "character", and how important those types of things are is up to the individual. They aren't a factor when looking at the bikes objectively.

Of course the 1299 has more low/mid-range. But again, the R1 makes over 80ft/lbs of torque...that is A LOT. Yes, the 1299 has more, but how much does one really need on the street. I have ridden Liter bikes that "only" make 60ft/lbs of torque and that was way more than enough.

We are splitting hairs when it comes to debating the torque of these two bikes. That is like saying having $96million in the bank is much better than only $87million in the bank. Well of course it is, but $87million is way more than anybody needs to be happy.

Looks is another thing that is up to the individual (however I do agree with you, the 1299 looks better IMO). But as far as build quality, having owned 5 Yamaha's in the past (3 R6's and 2 R1's), I will put their build quality and attention to detail up there with any others.

Many of the things you are discussing are subjective. I was simply discussing the better "bang for the buck" bike...and the R1 wins that competition. It is just as fast (some say faster on the track), just as light, just as powerful (for all intents and purposes), has arguably better electronics, will likely be more reliable and aftermarket parts/information will be much easier to obtain (and cheaper). When you combine those things with the R1 costing $5k-$8k less...there is no question which is the better value.

But at the end of the day, it is up to the individual to determine how important things like character and exclusivity are and how much weight they hold in the value discussion.
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Originally Posted by fzr100098 View Post
When I jumped on a 2015 S1000RR right after I test rode the 1299, I couldn't believe the difference below 6k, it was literally like there was nothing there - again, that doesn't matter on the track, but it was night and day
Yes. But the BMW has more of a "screamer" motor, similar to the ZX10. The crossplane motor of the R1 has different characteristics.
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Originally Posted by wilkson View Post
If your a fast racer you will swap out the electronic suspension for intermediate and novice it will be fine with tuning .
I know that has always been the general thinking (especially with the older versions), but the American editor that tested the 1299S it at Portimao is a long time and current Professional Racer with many podiums to his credit...and he had very good things to say about it.

He said under hard braking the suspension would stiffen to give the support and stability that was needed, then as brake pressure was released and lean angle was added, the dampening would soften allowing him to make apex. He was truly amazed by how well it worked, even at race pace.
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