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80shilling Jun 9th 2015 11:23 AM

Ducati 1299 Suspension and Handling Settings
 
I have been riding with my 1299S in FIXED suspension mode for a few days now and find that I prefer it that way for extremely spirited street riding. Not to say that the Dynamic mode isn't brilliant, because it is, but with fixed, I can get the suspension set exactly to my SPECIFIC tastes..

The factory must have thousands of hours into researching the Dynamic settings and so what I am proposing is that some of us like our bikes a bit stiffer, some like them a bit softer.. Some like a compliant front end... Personal preference can be more important than a textbook "correct" setting and as we know, the key to being fast around a track is all about confidence.. If you trust the bike and more specifically, the suspension, you are faster.

What I would like to find, is some deeply technical description of how EXACTLY our dynamic mode works and what the parameters are for it's settings, i.e.; is there a kind of "reference table" that is used for the bike that the control unit "picks" from? It might help us understand how to REALLY get these bikes optimized in terms of suspension, so if anyone has come across some information that might be useful, please post a link in this thread.

In another post, I mentioned that I had Dave Moss come by my house and set my Fixed settings up; after riding the bike about as hard as I ever have on the street, the bike was phenomenal..!! I had my Triumph Daytona 675R set up by Dave as well (it basically has identical suspension to the 1299S, without the electronics: TTX36 rear shock and NIX 30 forks) and that bike was my previous benchmark for best handling Motorcycle I have ever ridden, but now with the 1299S set to my personal preferences, I can safely say that the 1299 is even better.

My local favorite "loop" is around 45 miles of undulating, twisties, with some big open sweepers, some hairpins, some great cambered corners, some off-camber stuff, some smooth, some bumpy... Generally a great mix. I must have ridden that loop over 500 times and know every bump, crack, ripple in it; I know exactly where there will still be damp patches from last night's fog, or from 2 weeks ago when it rained...

The 1299 turns in perfectly; it goes exactly where I want to go; it likes to be trail braked. The light weight means the bike flicks down immediately - unlike my BMW S1000RR which had to be muscled down. The 1299 holds a line incredibly well and with the suspension being set perfectly, it absorbs mid-corner bumps amazingly well - it doesn't get thrown off line.

While down in the corner, the bike is stable and "quiet" with no corrections needed, if you picked your line and apex correctly.

Accelerating out from the apex, the bike doesn't steer wide, or try to stand up.. it lets you steer out under complete control, without you needing to tighten or widen your line.

Getting back on the power, it feels linear and if the traction control kicks in, you barely feel it, if at all. My BMW S1000RR (2011) was horrible, just horrible, compared to the way this system works. The traction is immense and consequently, you get MASSIVE drive very early in the corner.

I will reserve final judgement for the track, but as it stands right now, with the settings I have reached in fixed mode, I can safely say this is the best handling bike I have ever ridden. On my last ride on my "loop" I rode the bike harder than I have ridden on the street in more than 20 years and it felt better, more stable and more planted that any bike I have ridden; never in the 500+ times that I have ridden that road have I gone that fast with that level of confidence and the bike had PLENTY in reserve.

One more note; no headshake at all, except for one BIG one due to me being lazy and having incorrect body position (I was sitting pretty upright).. This bike likes you to keep your weight VERY forward and when you do that, it's freaking brilliant. I will have to change my body positioning at the track, since I had just got it fixed for the BMW S1000RR, with my coach...

Here is the contact information for Dave Moss; call him, Facebook him, book him to set up your suspension, get him to your location to do a local "clinic" for you and your buddies...
https://www.facebook.com/davemosstuning

My Fixed Mode settings at 195lbs body weight:

Sag Front 35mm
Sag Rear 26 mm

Front Compression 14
Front Rebound 12
Rear Compression 10
Rear Rebound 9
Steering Damper 14

Cheers.

Grayson Jun 9th 2015 11:53 AM

Is this with or without gear?

80shilling Jun 9th 2015 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayson (Post 210978)
Is this with or without gear?

All settings were set, with gear.

The Avidmoto Jun 9th 2015 12:13 PM

I was just on YouTube looking at vids of Dave Moss. I need this guy on retainer!

80shilling Jun 9th 2015 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avidmoto (Post 210987)
I was just on YouTube looking at vids of Dave Moss. I need this guy on retainer!

It's all he does; it's his full time job and he travels the World doing it. He was recently in Australia, New Zealand... He has flown to Qatar and Abu Dhabi for a weekend to do setup for the local racers out there, who have no-one locally with Dave's kind of knowledge.

He's very responsive, knows more about this stuff than anyone I have met and he's generally correct about what's going on with your bike, in most cases.

He also races and has been class champion in AFM for a few years; he really lives and breathes this stuff; basically, he's a damn Wizard.

Cheers.

Steveo Jun 9th 2015 01:38 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Is this with stock spring?

Can you post pic of rear shock showing how many threads on preload and height adjusters?

Here's mine attached:

80shilling Jun 9th 2015 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steveo (Post 210999)
Is this with stock spring?

Can you post pic of rear shock showing how many threads on preload and height adjusters?

Here's mine attached:

I will try to post something this evening, or tomorrow morning (California time).

wilkson Jun 9th 2015 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80shilling (Post 210973)
I have been riding with my 1299S in FIXED suspension mode for a few days now and find that I prefer it that way for extremely spirited street riding. Not to say that the Dynamic mode isn't brilliant, because it is, but with fixed, I can get the suspension set exactly to my SPECIFIC tastes..

The factory must have thousands of hours into researching the Dynamic settings and so what I am proposing is that some of us like our bikes a bit stiffer, some like them a bit softer.. Some like a compliant front end... Personal preference can be more important than a textbook "correct" setting and as we know, the key to being fast around a track is all about confidence.. If you trust the bike and more specifically, the suspension, you are faster.

What I would like to find, is some deeply technical description of how EXACTLY our dynamic mode works and what the parameters are for it's settings, i.e.; is there a kind of "reference table" that is used for the bike that the control unit "picks" from? It might help us understand how to REALLY get these bikes optimized in terms of suspension, so if anyone has come across some information that might be useful, please post a link in this thread.

In another post, I mentioned that I had Dave Moss come by my house and set my Fixed settings up; after riding the bike about as hard as I ever have on the street, the bike was phenomenal..!! I had my Triumph Daytona 675R set up by Dave as well (it basically has identical suspension to the 1299S, without the electronics: TTX36 rear shock and NIX 30 forks) and that bike was my previous benchmark for best handling Motorcycle I have ever ridden, but now with the 1299S set to my personal preferences, I can safely say that the 1299 is even better.

My local favorite "loop" is around 45 miles of undulating, twisties, with some big open sweepers, some hairpins, some great cambered corners, some off-camber stuff, some smooth, some bumpy... Generally a great mix. I must have ridden that loop over 500 times and know every bump, crack, ripple in it; I know exactly where there will still be damp patches from last night's fog, or from 2 weeks ago when it rained...

The 1299 turns in perfectly; it goes exactly where I want to go; it likes to be trail braked. The light weight means the bike flicks down immediately - unlike my BMW S1000RR which had to be muscled down. The 1299 holds a line incredibly well and with the suspension being set perfectly, it absorbs mid-corner bumps amazingly well - it doesn't get thrown off line.

While down in the corner, the bike is stable and "quiet" with no corrections needed, if you picked your line and apex correctly.

Accelerating out from the apex, the bike doesn't steer wide, or try to stand up.. it lets you steer out under complete control, without you needing to tighten or widen your line.

Getting back on the power, it feels linear and if the traction control kicks in, you barely feel it, if at all. My BMW S1000RR (2011) was horrible, just horrible, compared to the way this system works. The traction is immense and consequently, you get MASSIVE drive very early in the corner.

I will reserve final judgement for the track, but as it stands right now, with the settings I have reached in fixed mode, I can safely say this is the best handling bike I have ever ridden. On my last ride on my "loop" I rode the bike harder than I have ridden on the street in more than 20 years and it felt better, more stable and more planted that any bike I have ridden; never in the 500+ times that I have ridden that road have I gone that fast with that level of confidence and the bike had PLENTY in reserve.

One more note; no headshake at all, except for one BIG one due to me being lazy and having incorrect body position (I was sitting pretty upright).. This bike likes you to keep your weight VERY forward and when you do that, it's freaking brilliant. I will have to change my body positioning at the track, since I had just got it fixed for the BMW S1000RR, with my coach...

Here is the contact information for Dave Moss; call him, Facebook him, book him to set up your suspension, get him to your location to do a local "clinic" for you and your buddies...
https://www.facebook.com/davemosstuning


My Fixed Mode settings at 195lbs body weight:

Sag Front 35mm
Sag Rear 26 mm

Front Compression 14
Front Rebound 12
Rear Compression 10
Rear Rebound 9
Steering Damper 14




Cheers.

Its Flat not Fixed . These threads at best confuse people .

fzr100098 Jun 9th 2015 02:13 PM

I prefer linear or straight rate :)

FAQ

80shilling Jun 9th 2015 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilkson (Post 211004)
Its Flat not Fixed . These threads at best confuse people .

I'm talking about the FIXED mode in our suspension menu.. There are two choices - Dynamic and FIXED...

THIS!!
http://mortalc01l.zenfolio.com/img/s...40346789-5.jpg

Completely different from the suspension link, which can be changed from FLAT to PROGRESSIVE...


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