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Old Jun 19th 2015, 09:26 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by jjsC6 View Post
Lots of advice with no knowledge of how he rides. Does he track the bike, just street etc. this debate comes down to which gives you a bigger thrill, tracking the bike for lap times or feeling brutal acceleration and mid range torque? Answer that question.

BTW, somebody says he's faster on the track with the 1299. It will be a very rare rider who will be able to use all the power on the track to improve lap times and it will only matter if you race competitively. One second a lap is big if you are racing competitively. But one second a lap doesn't much change the thrill doing track days.

If you don't believe me, study track times for liter bikes versus 600's. Most riders will be within one second per lap on a 600 despite having 40 less horsepower.

BTW, the answer to me is a no brainier. Go with the 1299. I don't believe in buying yesterday's technology.
Although i agree somewhat what you are saying but it really depends on the track you are on. On the tighter tracks most 600's can carry more corner speed and more drive out of the corner without spinning the rear or wheeling out of the corners. The exception is todays technology and lighter liter bikes, well at least the Panigale with its light weight. On my 1199 I can carry more corner speed than I did on my R6 because it is lighter and has a wider rear tire than my R6, and TC, although on the corner exits the r-6 was planted and the 1199 wanted to wheelie all over the place but the difference on my lap times was 3 sec between the two. I expect to even better that time with 1299 with wheelie control coming out of the corners (I haven't taken the 1299 to the track yet). At Big Willow which is a 2.5 mile fast track, one of the fastest tracks in the US there is no comparison between the R6 and my 1199 and at Big Willow you could exploit every ounce of HP.

If you look at WSBK the Fastest lap Q times between Superbike and SuperSport it was almost 6 sec difference on the last race. In the old days I would agree but with todays technology its faster than 1 sec. The electronics do help with us mere mortals to exploit the powers of the liter bike like it was meant to do. Im not sure if its very rare for the track junkies/club racers to exploit the power maybe to a every so often "for fun" track person it is.
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 12:48 AM   #12
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Thank you.
This helped me vastly.
1299 it wil be.
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 04:31 AM   #13
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Does the base 1299 really have a better electronics package than the 1199S?
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 05:05 AM   #14
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Yep the 1299 has better electronics . I have let my friends ride the 1299 they are in love with the bike one being a former 1199 owner which he sold as he didn't like it that much .
I have a different view . While I enjoy the updated electronics it's not a deal breaker for me and I like the engine characteristics of the 1199 not saying I like it better just like it's a screamer .
this is the first time I have ever thought this but as electronic aids get better the bikes are becoming more sterile to ride . I like the wheelie control but it's too invasive I will continue to play with settings to see if I can find a decent balance .
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Where do you have WC set at right now?
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 05:28 AM   #16
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I had it on 5 now I have it on 2.
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 05:33 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by ScrapperX View Post
Although i agree somewhat what you are saying but it really depends on the track you are on. On the tighter tracks most 600's can carry more corner speed and more drive out of the corner without spinning the rear or wheeling out of the corners. The exception is todays technology and lighter liter bikes, well at least the Panigale with its light weight. On my 1199 I can carry more corner speed than I did on my R6 because it is lighter and has a wider rear tire than my R6, and TC, although on the corner exits the r-6 was planted and the 1199 wanted to wheelie all over the place but the difference on my lap times was 3 sec between the two. I expect to even better that time with 1299 with wheelie control coming out of the corners (I haven't taken the 1299 to the track yet). At Big Willow which is a 2.5 mile fast track, one of the fastest tracks in the US there is no comparison between the R6 and my 1199 and at Big Willow you could exploit every ounce of HP.

If you look at WSBK the Fastest lap Q times between Superbike and SuperSport it was almost 6 sec difference on the last race. In the old days I would agree but with todays technology its faster than 1 sec. The electronics do help with us mere mortals to exploit the powers of the liter bike like it was meant to do. Im not sure if its very rare for the track junkies/club racers to exploit the power maybe to a every so often "for fun" track person it is.
Please understand that I realize there are riders who are the exception. I raced for a few years and I understand that there is a big difference between the various levels of riders.
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i wouldnt call the the Base 's suspension a weak link, sure Ohlin is better, but keep in mind the S doesnt have the top shelf Ohlin, they are better, but by a small margin, this translate to a more compliant ride on the street,
on the track, i doubt that you can have the advantage on the S over the Base
False.

The Ohlins forks on the S are essentially a 30mm Cartridge kit (inside Ohlins externals).

In other words, they are basically the same setup winning races all over the nation. Sure there might be valving or spring changes that can be made to suit the individual, but to think the Ohlins aren't a significant upgrade is a mistake.

NOW...whether one "needs" Ohlins is a whole different discussion. But as far as the Forks themselves, the Ohlins are much better.
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BTW, somebody says he's faster on the track with the 1299. It will be a very rare rider who will be able to use all the power on the track to improve lap times and it will only matter if you race competitively. One second a lap is big if you are racing competitively. But one second a lap doesn't much change the thrill doing track days.
They made several changes to the 1299 to make it easier for the average rider to go faster on it. Going faster on the 1299 isn't just about the power or the electronics, it is also about chassis geometry.
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"Much better" would require back-to-back comparison with an expert rider. Ohlins snobs have yet to do this...it likely is better, "much better"? Doubt it
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