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Old Jun 20th 2015, 05:47 AM   #21
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On my 1199 I can carry more corner speed than I did on my R6 because it is lighter and has a wider rear tire than my R6, and TC
Corner speed doesn't have anything to do with the weight of the bike. If we are talking about a Harley vs an R6, maybe. But an R6 and Panigale are very close in weight.

The wider rear tire on the 1199 doesn't have anything to do with it either.

And if you were carrying more corner speed on the 1199, then you were likely doing it wrong. A 600 and a 1000 will often apex (verb) the corner in a different spot to utilize their respective strengths. On a Liter bike, the goal is to get the thing in the corner as hard/fast as possible, get it stopped and pointed in the right direction, then upright and on the gas. You want to try and make the straightaways as long as possible (think "point and shoot").

For example, in GP racing the 250's will often carry as much as 10mph more corner speed than the MotoGP (1000cc) bikes. The 250's have to keep the momentum up, whereas the bigger bikes are trying to get in there, get it point and upright, and get on the gas.
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 05:53 AM   #22
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"Much better" would require back-to-back comparison with an expert rider. Ohlins snobs have yet to do this...it likely is better, "much better"? Doubt it
And of course YOU would say that. Ever since you got your base model you have made it a point to express how good your base is, how the S isn't much better, and things of that nature.

...or how people with an S (or parts that come on the S) are "snobs". It isn't about being a "snob". It is about the equipment being better.

And for your information, I HAVE done back to back comparison tests with the base forks then followed up with the 30mm Ohlins kit on the 675 (non-R), Kawi 636, several different Suzuki's, R1, R6 and a few other bikes...and yes, the Ohlins is much better, regardless of what you want to believe or how bad you need to believe your bike is just as good as an S.
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Originally Posted by fzr100098 View Post
"Much better" would require back-to-back comparison with an expert rider. Ohlins snobs have yet to do this...it likely is better, "much better"? Doubt it
I agree . I have never been one to back a brand just because of the reputation or the fact that's what most people are using . Most racers will use Ohlins because that's what they know and most tuners are proficient with Ohlins and lots of Data to be shared as well of spares .
All this considered it does not necessarily mean it's better more so it's got better support .
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 06:12 AM   #24
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Come on Chris, the base forks on the Jap bikes are junk, not sure what that has to do with the 1299

Never said the Base is as good as the S, either, but doubt most street riders would go any faster on it

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Old Jun 20th 2015, 06:16 AM   #25
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Come on Chris, the base forks on the Jap bikes are junk, not sure what that has to do with the 1299
Not necessarily.

I won multiple amateur races on the base forks on the 675 (non-R). They aren't as good as Ohlins, but they aren't necessarily junk.

But I felt like I was riding on the ragged edge. I had very little feel of the front end, didn't trust the bike under hard trail braking, etc. The Ohlins kit transformed the front end.

Again, like I said whether somebody needs Ohlins, or lightweight wheels, or an exhaust, or any other mod/part people can think of, that is a whole different discussion.
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Never said the Base is as good as the S, either, but doubt most street riders would go any faster on it
I didn't get this the first time because your edit came after my post.

But I actually agree with you. Few people will "outride" the components on the base model, especially on the street. On the street, I think the S is overkill and unnecessary. If mine was only going to be a street bike, I would have gotten the base, no doubt about it.

Now we are getting into the "is it needed" discussion, which is a totally different thing.
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Most of the members here who have tracked the Base recommend swapping the shock, but the fork is getting good reviews - possibly a revalve
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Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
They made several changes to the 1299 to make it easier for the average rider to go faster on it. Going faster on the 1299 isn't just about the power or the electronics, it is also about chassis geometry.
I understand all of that. But as has been said, most riders aren't good enough for it to make a difference. When I was racing I trounced many riders who had far better bikes than I did. And on the street I have run off and hid from some guys on S1000RRs.....on my 1600 GT. And for the record, there were guys I raced against who were significantly better than I was.

Don't misunderstand me, I fully get your point. It will make a good rider better, and a top rider even better still. But the average rider, and by that I mean even the average sport bike rider, they are not riding fast enough for the nannies to even kick in.
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 02:45 PM   #29
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I think the S is overkill and unnecessary. .

We have some crappy roads on our canyons.

The better suspension makes al the difference and gives you the confidence you cannot get out of he cheaper counterparts.


On my 848 and the stock showas, they were a great shock, but switching to the ohlins on the 1199 was a dramatic upgrade that instantly advanced my skill level.

The worse the pavement the better the shock needs to be.
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Old Jun 20th 2015, 02:51 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by jjsC6 View Post
When I was racing I trounced many riders who had far better bikes than I did. .
Here the fastest guys are riding multistradas with slicks.

Real tight stuff below 100.


Skill usually trumps equipment.

I mean even the average sport bike rider, they are not riding fast enough for the nannies to even kick in.
Jun 20th 2015 06:26 AM
I probably fit in there somewhere. I like the upgrades and do notice.

But do agree .
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