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Old Sep 9th 2015, 07:26 AM   #21
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wish my 1199 had DWC.... even in stock form, I have to use all my body weight to keep the front down in 2nd and 3rd.. Any little imperfection in the road and the wheel lifts in 3rd gear.

I always wanted a bike that could power wheelie on demand, now I wish I had wheelie-control..
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Old Sep 9th 2015, 09:46 AM   #22
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I just find most of these adjustments except fueling to be nuanced and mostly placebo. I've owned a bunch of bikes and modded them all except the s1000rr and the only noticeable difference has been sound. smoothing out fueling and gearing a different story. I've dynoed before and after on them all and while they all showed performance gains anything under 10hp/tq just didn't feel different once I stepped back and reassessed. However, night and day when fueling was smoothed and that always made a noticeable difference. This experience are on a half dozen machines 2009-2013 as the 15 bmw hasn't been messed with and won't due to wadding it up but the tuners basically say there's not much to get out of it.
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Old Sep 9th 2015, 10:07 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
I just find most of these adjustments except fueling to be nuanced and mostly placebo. I've owned a bunch of bikes and modded them all except the s1000rr and the only noticeable difference has been sound. smoothing out fueling and gearing a different story. I've dynoed before and after on them all and while they all showed performance gains anything under 10hp/tq just didn't feel different once I stepped back and reassessed. However, night and day when fueling was smoothed and that always made a noticeable difference. This experience are on a half dozen machines 2009-2013 as the 15 bmw hasn't been messed with and won't due to wadding it up but the tuners basically say there's not much to get out of it.
I am mostly in agreement with you; my 2011 BMW S1000RR (that I put more than 54,000 miles on and about 80+ trackdays) only picked up about 8 rwhp with a full Akra race system, BMC race filter and a custom ECU tune. Prior to that, it had a custom tune on a PCV that had only picked up around 6 rwhp, but had part throttle and driveability issues (very slight). I am hearing that the 2015 has VERY little left in it for the tuners to extract; it's just a monster straight out of the box and quite a bit stronger than any of the previous years were.

Also, on the S1000RR, the stock air filter was as good as any of the aftermarket filters - go to the S1000RR Forum and you will find that Brocks, Bren and Alpha all found little to no gains from changing the stock filter out for a race BMC or similar, so maybe the BMW has another restriction and the air filter doesn't make much difference because of that.

The 1299 reacts FAR better than any other bike I have had tuned (and I have had a ton of bikes tuned, all the way back to my Suzuki GSXR 1100 with 1425cc kit, race cams and full exhaust - tuned by Factory Racing).. All I can say, is that these relatively simple and cheap mods have made a MASSIVE difference to my 1299 from my butt dyno and the fact that it wants to wheelie everywhere in the top 5 gears now, where it didn't do nearly so much prior to the mods.

I will get the bike dynoed soon and we shall see. If others experiences are correct, I would expect a good 12-15 rwhp gain.

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Old Sep 9th 2015, 10:11 AM   #24
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+1 Get the ride position, suspension and fueling right and all will be good with the world.

Better sound, hp, & torque are bonuses, but only if the three things above are dialed in. I just ordered the Sprint filter. Going to try it w/ the stock cans and see if it smooths out the lump @ 3500 rpm. Ducati loves to (or maybe more aptly "needs to") choke their bikes in stock form.
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Old Sep 9th 2015, 11:43 AM   #25
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The 1299 is a possible replacement when I get to riding again so I'm still closely following performance as my test ride led me to believe this would be the only bike I didn't put an exhaust on it sounded so good. However, I knew from the start I'd get it tuned as its out of the box fueling still sucks. I'm guessing every Italian rides these bikes at redline everywhere they go.
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Old Sep 9th 2015, 12:18 PM   #26
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You SOB, you just cost me 100, just bought the air filter
Where from in the UK pal?
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Old Sep 9th 2015, 05:40 PM   #27
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I had one of the early 2010 S1000RRs, with the lighter crankshaft. In Slick mode (the early bikes had different throttle maps for EVERY mode), it was, well, very, very sensitive lol.
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Old Sep 9th 2015, 06:26 PM   #28
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I heard they were outright scary
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Where from in the UK pal?
From Reactive Parts: Performance Motorcycle Race bike Parts UK

Arrived already, great service
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Old Sep 10th 2015, 02:06 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
I just find most of these adjustments except fueling to be nuanced and mostly placebo.
Another good example of perception vs reality. Everything that annoys me about my bike goes away when I'm drunk.
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