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Old Jan 17th 2016, 10:54 PM   #51
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Ok. I am looking at purchasing a year end 1299S and am interested in putting a Tremi on and either a TuneBoy or rapidBike. Any recommendations as to which would be better? 80shilling you really like the RapidBike, but will the TuneBoy accomplish the same thing without adding a piggyback module? It also has cruise control if I am not mistaken which would be a plus.

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I would rather go for the PCV with autotune and the ignition module. PCV maps per gear which Rapidbike does not do.
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I would rather go for the PCV with autotune and the ignition module. PCV maps per gear which Rapidbike does not do.
So what you are saying is that pcv is better than rapidbike?im just Because a shop told me to get the pcv bmc filter and a full termi in order to have something like 190whp out of the bike
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You don't need to do anything to the RapidBike, as it comes with a specific map for the 1299, you have to tell them what bike you have when you order the module.. You CAN play around and tune the RapidBike, if you want to, or need to, but it's not necessary.

Yes, you can just order from the USA if you want. Contact Yaman at RapidBike USA and he will be more than happy to talk to you about anything and EVERYTHNG to do with the RapidBike. Any even slightly competent shop should be able to install this stuff for you, or if you are slightly mechanical, YOU can install yourself, if you are willing to take the time to do it.

I'm not sure if anyone has done a back to back comparison of slipons vs. full system, but in any event, either will improve the 1299 considerably.

P.S. RapidBike is an Italian company whose headquarters are just down the street from Ducati HQ.
Thank you very much. You were very helpful. yeah i know that rapidbike is Italian, but you won't even belive that even tho Ducati is italian most of its stuff you will have to have them delivered from USA. This shit is not even funny. Their HQ is in Bologna i think that's northern Italy. Today i will to ducati and ask them if they can get me all these stuff and install it too. The main reason of my first question was because some days ago i went to a shop and they told me that the only way my 1299s will get some power is if i install a PCV, BMC filter and a full termignoni. Which he said will get me at least 190whp... And again since im living in Italy thats like 5k+. It sucks to have a Panigale in Italy trust me they even cost more( 27k+ euros compare to 24k dollars which is like 30k US dollar if ain't wrong)
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So what you are saying is that pcv is better than rapidbike?im just Because a shop told me to get the pcv bmc filter and a full termi in order to have something like 190whp out of the bike
I am of opinion that the PCV with autotune and ignition module is better than the RapidBike Race yes, but there are many who will differ from me. Both are good I suppose.
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I am of opinion that the PCV with autotune and ignition module is better than the RapidBike Race yes, but there are many who will differ from me. Both are good I suppose.
Thank you bro. I know my questions might sound stupid but l don't want to spend money for stuff that won't do anything to the bike. Yesterday i went to Ducati and ordered full akra 4700 euros. They told me they have the up map that with this stuff i won't need anything also. So let's see when is done
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So what you are saying is that pcv is better than rapidbike?im just Because a shop told me to get the pcv bmc filter and a full termi in order to have something like 190whp out of the bike

Actually , your shop has no clue about Rapid Bike that is probably why they had recommended PCV..... This forum members will give you a better idea about which direction to take, just count how many people actually went with Rapid Bike vs PCV but if I may light up the tunnel a little better for you allow me to just lay out the simple facts that your average PCV guys don't know or don't want you to know

You buy a Rapid bike Racing kit and install it, start the bike and you are done, not only you have just successfully completed your RB installation but you are now starting to enjoy your bike like it is meant to be !

WITH RB racing, you will get: fuel injection management, Ignition management, adaptive tuning , all in one cast aluminium water proof box with 2 years of ABSOLUTELY hassle fee warranty and being able to reprogram the box if in the future you sell your bike and buy a hayabusa or multistrada of KTM 390 , or whatever !!!!!

WITH RB racing, you don't need to worry about the closed loop area since RB manages the closed loop which is about below 6000 RPM and below 19% throttle something like that and please remind me where is the trouble area on ALL of Panigale bikes ? you won't have to get rid of your O2 sensors and enjoy the way RB makes adjustments the fly.

RB Racing retail : $765

I am sure I am forgetting some of other futures but I'll edit later since I have to get back to work and pack up 9 more Panigale kits today. Oh by the way we have sold 115 JUST Panigale kits in 2015 and PLEASE do google and see you can find anybody having any trouble with it ( however we have had some glitches with just a couple of the but all taken care of )

So let's get back to my favorite subject, what about PCV on Panigale, Well I am sure it works but allow me again to lay out just the simple facts.....

So In order to have the same capabilities you will have to buy PCV $419.99, PCV Ignition module $369.96, PC Auto tune $479.99 So about $1270 you got yourself a Power commander set up that thinks it can do what Rb can

But wait your are not done yet!!!!! 1st off, all of the above will still not manage your closed loop area , shit ! what you need to do is get the ECU out and flash that will cost about another $300 ( I won't get into details on this one either ) but now you are ready and already spent $1570 on all the hardware. Now go ahead and go with the installation, have you ever seen all those laid out on a table ? let me tell you, you just got yourself a spaghetti wiring, wires all over the place and it there is a slightest trouble, can you imagine removing all of that ? yes they are smaller and made out of plastic cases but you can not avoid not having wires. And if you still have to remove the headers and get 18mm bungs welded for the auto tune sensors.


What if I have a problem with RB , how fast can you troubleshoot ???? Well I would say to eliminate the RB module your probably looking at however long it takes you to get to the module and if you do have the ADORI bypass plug , it will then take you about 3 seconds to pinpoint if the problem is your bike ? RB harness ? or RB module?

Try that with PCV and its components!!!!! and I don't care what anyone says, when you have a PCV you have to have a dyno session..... Oh wait , another favorite subject of mine

Well some people argue that PCV will make map per gear adjustments which is true and we don't, here is why, if the bike does not have an actual GP sensor RB does not want to have anything to do with it, Panigale has one but it actually calculates the gear position at the transmission it is not a real sensor as far as let's say S1000RR , ZX10R or GSXR1000 sensors, the calculation PCV makes will vary with different tire and sprocket size which is not reliable. But I will find it very difficult if one claims that it actually works .

According to dynojet,

this is in Panigale installation manual you have 4 tuning tables 1 for each cylinder and if you do use map per gear function you will have 24 maps ? really ? and add 6 ignition maps ( if it can do map per gear ignition mapping )

That means, 24 separate maps to tune ? PLEASE chime in people especially if there is a tuner among us and tell me how long it would truly take you to make a proper map ? and what would you charge for your time ? Woow poor bike, I can not imagine my bike being on that dyno tortured !

Our RB ignition maps are already done and has been working well, we can pick up the ignition signal from crank position sensor, which is low voltage steady signal, we don't tap in to ignition coils for a reason.

And yes, if one desires his or her bike to be tuned on the dyno , everything can be manually adjusted .

I just copied this from PC web site
For all other ranges 12.8-13.4 seems to work best. For the best results it is
recommended to bring the bike to an Authorized Tuning Center to have them verify the AFR values.

AND WHY ? if everything is working as it should how would you even confirm that if the tuner is using exhaust probes which also very difficult to do on Panigale exhaust since there will be cooling off and delay when they use the copper tube stuck in the exhaust pipe ?

Well, that was my input and pick whichever one appeals to you
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Originally Posted by YTURAN View Post
Actually , your shop has no clue about Rapid Bike that is probably why they had recommended PCV..... This forum members will give you a better idea about which direction to take, just count how many people actually went with Rapid Bike vs PCV but if I may light up the tunnel a little better for you allow me to just lay out the simple facts that your average PCV guys don't know or don't want you to know

You buy a Rapid bike Racing kit and install it, start the bike and you are done, not only you have just successfully completed your RB installation but you are now starting to enjoy your bike like it is meant to be !

WITH RB racing, you will get: fuel injection management, Ignition management, adaptive tuning , all in one cast aluminium water proof box with 2 years of ABSOLUTELY hassle fee warranty and being able to reprogram the box if in the future you sell your bike and buy a hayabusa or multistrada of KTM 390 , or whatever !!!!!

WITH RB racing, you don't need to worry about the closed loop area since RB manages the closed loop which is about below 6000 RPM and below 19% throttle something like that and please remind me where is the trouble area on ALL of Panigale bikes ? you won't have to get rid of your O2 sensors and enjoy the way RB makes adjustments the fly.

RB Racing retail : $765

I am sure I am forgetting some of other futures but I'll edit later since I have to get back to work and pack up 9 more Panigale kits today. Oh by the way we have sold 115 JUST Panigale kits in 2015 and PLEASE do google and see you can find anybody having any trouble with it ( however we have had some glitches with just a couple of the but all taken care of )

So let's get back to my favorite subject, what about PCV on Panigale, Well I am sure it works but allow me again to lay out just the simple facts.....

So In order to have the same capabilities you will have to buy PCV $419.99, PCV Ignition module $369.96, PC Auto tune $479.99 So about $1270 you got yourself a Power commander set up that thinks it can do what Rb can

But wait your are not done yet!!!!! 1st off, all of the above will still not manage your closed loop area , shit ! what you need to do is get the ECU out and flash that will cost about another $300 ( I won't get into details on this one either ) but now you are ready and already spent $1570 on all the hardware. Now go ahead and go with the installation, have you ever seen all those laid out on a table ? let me tell you, you just got yourself a spaghetti wiring, wires all over the place and it there is a slightest trouble, can you imagine removing all of that ? yes they are smaller and made out of plastic cases but you can not avoid not having wires. And if you still have to remove the headers and get 18mm bungs welded for the auto tune sensors.


What if I have a problem with RB , how fast can you troubleshoot ???? Well I would say to eliminate the RB module your probably looking at however long it takes you to get to the module and if you do have the ADORI bypass plug , it will then take you about 3 seconds to pinpoint if the problem is your bike ? RB harness ? or RB module?

Try that with PCV and its components!!!!! and I don't care what anyone says, when you have a PCV you have to have a dyno session..... Oh wait , another favorite subject of mine

Well some people argue that PCV will make map per gear adjustments which is true and we don't, here is why, if the bike does not have an actual GP sensor RB does not want to have anything to do with it, Panigale has one but it actually calculates the gear position at the transmission it is not a real sensor as far as let's say S1000RR , ZX10R or GSXR1000 sensors, the calculation PCV makes will vary with different tire and sprocket size which is not reliable. But I will find it very difficult if one claims that it actually works .

According to dynojet,

this is in Panigale installation manual you have 4 tuning tables 1 for each cylinder and if you do use map per gear function you will have 24 maps ? really ? and add 6 ignition maps ( if it can do map per gear ignition mapping )

That means, 24 separate maps to tune ? PLEASE chime in people especially if there is a tuner among us and tell me how long it would truly take you to make a proper map ? and what would you charge for your time ? Woow poor bike, I can not imagine my bike being on that dyno tortured !

Our RB ignition maps are already done and has been working well, we can pick up the ignition signal from crank position sensor, which is low voltage steady signal, we don't tap in to ignition coils for a reason.

And yes, if one desires his or her bike to be tuned on the dyno , everything can be manually adjusted .

I just copied this from PC web site
For all other ranges 12.8-13.4 seems to work best. For the best results it is
recommended to bring the bike to an Authorized Tuning Center to have them verify the AFR values.

AND WHY ? if everything is working as it should how would you even confirm that if the tuner is using exhaust probes which also very difficult to do on Panigale exhaust since there will be cooling off and delay when they use the copper tube stuck in the exhaust pipe ?

Well, that was my input and pick whichever one appeals to you
I just got my 2016 panigale R and was thinking about getting the RB. What can RB do for my bike compare to the 1299S. I actually don't have any issues under 6K but maybe thats just with the R model? Let me know if you can provide the price and where I can buy in the States.
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I just got my 2016 panigale R and was thinking about getting the RB. What can RB do for my bike compare to the 1299S. I actually don't have any issues under 6K but maybe thats just with the R model? Let me know if you can provide the price and where I can buy in the States.
It is not just about below 6000 RPM, I mentioned that to show the difference between RB and PCV .

RB does adjust the entire RPM range no problem, Rb will do the same exact for the 1199 R .

You can order it directly from us Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

or one of our dealers
CONTACT US | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

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It is not just about below 6000 RPM, I mentioned that to show the difference between RB and PCV .

RB does adjust the entire RPM range no problem, Rb will do the same exact for the 1199 R .

You can order it directly from us Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

or one of our dealers
CONTACT US | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

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thanks, what can i expect from getting this unit like performance gain and overall feel of the bike. has one been installed on a R and any dyno runs
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Originally Posted by YTURAN View Post
Actually , your shop has no clue about Rapid Bike that is probably why they had recommended PCV..... This forum members will give you a better idea about which direction to take, just count how many people actually went with Rapid Bike vs PCV but if I may light up the tunnel a little better for you allow me to just lay out the simple facts that your average PCV guys don't know or don't want you to know

You buy a Rapid bike Racing kit and install it, start the bike and you are done, not only you have just successfully completed your RB installation but you are now starting to enjoy your bike like it is meant to be !

WITH RB racing, you will get: fuel injection management, Ignition management, adaptive tuning , all in one cast aluminium water proof box with 2 years of ABSOLUTELY hassle fee warranty and being able to reprogram the box if in the future you sell your bike and buy a hayabusa or multistrada of KTM 390 , or whatever !!!!!

WITH RB racing, you don't need to worry about the closed loop area since RB manages the closed loop which is about below 6000 RPM and below 19% throttle something like that and please remind me where is the trouble area on ALL of Panigale bikes ? you won't have to get rid of your O2 sensors and enjoy the way RB makes adjustments the fly.

RB Racing retail : $765

I am sure I am forgetting some of other futures but I'll edit later since I have to get back to work and pack up 9 more Panigale kits today. Oh by the way we have sold 115 JUST Panigale kits in 2015 and PLEASE do google and see you can find anybody having any trouble with it ( however we have had some glitches with just a couple of the but all taken care of )

So let's get back to my favorite subject, what about PCV on Panigale, Well I am sure it works but allow me again to lay out just the simple facts.....

So In order to have the same capabilities you will have to buy PCV $419.99, PCV Ignition module $369.96, PC Auto tune $479.99 So about $1270 you got yourself a Power commander set up that thinks it can do what Rb can

But wait your are not done yet!!!!! 1st off, all of the above will still not manage your closed loop area , shit ! what you need to do is get the ECU out and flash that will cost about another $300 ( I won't get into details on this one either ) but now you are ready and already spent $1570 on all the hardware. Now go ahead and go with the installation, have you ever seen all those laid out on a table ? let me tell you, you just got yourself a spaghetti wiring, wires all over the place and it there is a slightest trouble, can you imagine removing all of that ? yes they are smaller and made out of plastic cases but you can not avoid not having wires. And if you still have to remove the headers and get 18mm bungs welded for the auto tune sensors.


What if I have a problem with RB , how fast can you troubleshoot ???? Well I would say to eliminate the RB module your probably looking at however long it takes you to get to the module and if you do have the ADORI bypass plug , it will then take you about 3 seconds to pinpoint if the problem is your bike ? RB harness ? or RB module?

Try that with PCV and its components!!!!! and I don't care what anyone says, when you have a PCV you have to have a dyno session..... Oh wait , another favorite subject of mine

Well some people argue that PCV will make map per gear adjustments which is true and we don't, here is why, if the bike does not have an actual GP sensor RB does not want to have anything to do with it, Panigale has one but it actually calculates the gear position at the transmission it is not a real sensor as far as let's say S1000RR , ZX10R or GSXR1000 sensors, the calculation PCV makes will vary with different tire and sprocket size which is not reliable. But I will find it very difficult if one claims that it actually works .

According to dynojet,

this is in Panigale installation manual you have 4 tuning tables 1 for each cylinder and if you do use map per gear function you will have 24 maps ? really ? and add 6 ignition maps ( if it can do map per gear ignition mapping )

That means, 24 separate maps to tune ? PLEASE chime in people especially if there is a tuner among us and tell me how long it would truly take you to make a proper map ? and what would you charge for your time ? Woow poor bike, I can not imagine my bike being on that dyno tortured !

Our RB ignition maps are already done and has been working well, we can pick up the ignition signal from crank position sensor, which is low voltage steady signal, we don't tap in to ignition coils for a reason.

And yes, if one desires his or her bike to be tuned on the dyno , everything can be manually adjusted .

I just copied this from PC web site
For all other ranges 12.8-13.4 seems to work best. For the best results it is
recommended to bring the bike to an Authorized Tuning Center to have them verify the AFR values.

AND WHY ? if everything is working as it should how would you even confirm that if the tuner is using exhaust probes which also very difficult to do on Panigale exhaust since there will be cooling off and delay when they use the copper tube stuck in the exhaust pipe ?

Well, that was my input and pick whichever one appeals to you
Wow man im speechless you couldn't be more helpful. Ok i have another question. Tomorrow im going to Ducati (Roma, Italy) where i live. Im getting a full akrapovic and they told me they will put something call "upmap" to the bike which from my understanding is like mapping her. So here is my question...im buying the Rapibike Racing regardless, the thing i want to know is what do i have to do, buy the RB and tell them to install it instead of this "upmap"? Or after they do this "upmap" i just buy the RB and install it in top of this "upmap" .. im sorry im just a ex regular jap guy, i have this 1299s only for a couple of months so im still learning how does it work

Ps: im not/don't what to play around with my bike so i will haven them install everything full akrap, sprint p08, and RB
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