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Old Feb 10th 2016, 12:45 PM   #1
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I Ride: KTM Duke R 1299 Pani YZF450 Saxon
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I had the 1000Km service last Friday, nursed this thing like a child, myself a bit new to fast riding and in short petrified of the 1299. I think its a combination of its cost together with no insurance and having not ridden 1000cc bikes for almost 15 years. (and god have they come on a bit)

I had the dealer take the back spring from F to P because at 73 kg I am too light and it was still too hard, the first pic shows my angle in a corner with stock set up as per book, then I reduced the preload on the back to about 5 mm (book says 12mm) took it for a gentle cruze and picked a fight with a local street plod on a plain clothed 1400 Kawa, who was hell bent in pulling off for no reason, the second pic is now how much better the lump goes into a corner. On other threads showing tyre wear (on a track nogal) they dont get it here, this was on the road in the suburbs
I will play with the rebound a bit next week, but I must say all the hype about you need the R or the S and the basic bike is shite??? well its more than I can handle.

Im enjoying it basic model and all, and not sure spending more cash on fancy springs is going to make me get it any lower in a corner is there maybe some braging rights to big branded shocks and shiny bits i cant understand yet?

and the plod.... well he was next to me until the first bend, (any nob can go fast in a straight line- normally the territory of the ugliest thing on two wheels the Busa) haven't heard from him since

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Old Feb 10th 2016, 12:55 PM   #2
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Having suspension work or a "fancy spring " has zero to do with getting lower in a corner .
I don't believe anyone here has said the base model bike is shit but every rider has different needs as far as suspension work goes depending on their level of riding .
I'm glad your enjoying your bike stay safe .
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Old Feb 10th 2016, 02:05 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Captain Greg View Post
I had the 1000Km service last Friday, nursed this thing like a child, myself a bit new to fast riding and in short petrified of the 1299. I think its a combination of its cost together with no insurance and having not ridden 1000cc bikes for almost 15 years. (and god have they come on a bit)

I had the dealer take the back spring from F to P because at 73 kg I am too light and it was still too hard, the first pic shows my angle in a corner with stock set up as per book, then I reduced the preload on the back to about 5 mm (book says 12mm) took it for a gentle cruze and picked a fight with a local street plod on a plain clothed 1400 Kawa, who was hell bent in pulling off for no reason, the second pic is now how much better the lump goes into a corner. On other threads showing tyre wear (on a track nogal) they dont get it here, this was on the road in the suburbs
I will play with the rebound a bit next week, but I must say all the hype about you need the R or the S and the basic bike is shite??? well its more than I can handle.

Im enjoying it basic model and all, and not sure spending more cash on fancy springs is going to make me get it any lower in a corner is there maybe some braging rights to big branded shocks and shiny bits i cant understand yet?

and the plod.... well he was next to me until the first bend, (any nob can go fast in a straight line- normally the territory of the ugliest thing on two wheels the Busa) haven't heard from him since


Beer and chicken wings will fix the lack of weight problem. Why mess with spring?
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Old Feb 10th 2016, 04:33 PM   #4
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Welcome back to biking - don't worry too much about what Wilkinson says, he's been planted on this forum to test you, he does it with everyone.

"A good jockey doesn't need orders and a bad jockey couldn't carry them out anyway; so it's best not to give them any". Leister Piggott !!!!
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Old Feb 10th 2016, 04:41 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by jordie View Post
Welcome back to biking - don't worry too much about what Wilkinson says, he's been planted on this forum to test you, he does it with everyone.

"A good jockey doesn't need orders and a bad jockey couldn't carry them out anyway; so it's best not to give them any". Leister Piggott !!!!
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Old Feb 11th 2016, 10:48 PM   #6
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You're making some sense to me. I'm also around 73kg, I have the mechanical Íhlins and had them re-valved and sprung. For me at least, it was throwing me out of the seat on occasion and I didn't seem to have enough adjustment to take it out. As Wilkson said though, it won't make a difference as to how far over you can get the bike. That's just down to you, your comfort zone and if the change in set up gives you more confidence to get her over, then that's money well spent.

The internals from the mass produced units for Ducati are also very different from what you would get if you bought the unit from Íhlins themselves. I was shocked 'scuse the pun, when I saw them. Also, at just over 2000 miles, the oil inside was black! So it was well worth a specialist taking a look, but I do know I will be keeping this bike for a while so the investment is justified.

But don't go posting pics of other peoples tyres yeah.

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Old Feb 12th 2016, 01:56 AM   #7
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Springs have absolutely nothing to do with lean angle. Lean angle is the result of high corner speed relative to the radius of the corner, and is also impacted by the quality of your body positioning. In other words, if you aren't getting the bike over as low in the corners as some other people, then either you aren't going fast enough or you have excellent BP (which frees up lean angle, which will allow you to carry even more speed).

As far as the bike goes, the only factor the bike plays in lean angle is ground clearance. And the Panigale has plenty of it.

Regarding ones "need" for the S or the R models, "need" is a relative term. I don't recall anyone saying the base model is shit (or shite, depending on where you are from ), but the level of shittiness of anything depends on the task you use the bike for and how fast you go while performing said task.

It may very well be the base model suspension is perfectly fine for you, but to others it may be complete shit. Results vary.
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Old Feb 12th 2016, 05:00 AM   #8
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Thanks for the post Captain but I hardly understood anything you were talking about. You kinda lost me after you said you were petrified of the bike you just purchased. Did not understand about the lumpy tyres or corner or whatever and what Mr Plod had to do with it all.

I think you got yourself a great bike though. Enjoy.
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Old Feb 12th 2016, 05:21 AM   #9
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I'd be so dizzy
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Old Feb 12th 2016, 05:27 AM   #10
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I'm about 73KG.. they are over sprung for us lightweights
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