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G8tr Aug 10th 2016 05:51 AM

Charcoal canister cannot be removed on new 1299S?
 
I have a brand new 1299 and have had an issue with it stalling after it has been running and then turned off. Once you restart it it wants to stall at idle. I literally have to continuously give it a little throttle to keep it running. After searching through he forum I was thinking it was the charcoal canister so I called the dealer but they informed me that on new Panigales it can no longer be removed. I think they said it is wired in. My question is first, is that true, and second can I just leave the canister and remove and cap the one vacuum line and remove and tap the vent line from the canister into the other vent line. Therefore I would be leaving the canister in place but hopefully still fix the problem.

Thanks

Rogue Aug 10th 2016 07:09 AM

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Your dealer is full of shit.

timwu12 Aug 10th 2016 07:23 AM

I believe removing the charcoal canister is also against the law since it deals with emissions and fuel vapors so the dealer might just be using that as an excuse to not do it for you.

G8tr Aug 10th 2016 07:41 AM

Definitely not a legality issues. They don't care and do it on all the older bikes that don't throw the code.

cmepasu Aug 10th 2016 07:44 AM

My dealer also said they couldn't do it.

However, they did remove it to get access to a couple of key fasteners during a service and did forget to re-install it. Bummer.

wrussi Aug 10th 2016 08:36 AM

the difference between the 1199 and the 1299 is that the system now has an electronic valve on the "up line". I'm guessing Ducati did this to fix the issue BUT as we've all learned, we still have the same issue of the bike turning off. what i did was I removed the canister, extended the vent line and then plugged the line going to this valve. i left the valve connected so even when the ecu tells it to open there wont be anything to suck from the canister. I'm not sure if i disconnect the valve if i will get an error code. if you dont then the whole system can be removed as with the 1199. anybody should try that... i'll try it next time i have the fairing off.

speedy14 Aug 10th 2016 09:21 AM

I disconnected the carbon canister.(It did have some fuel in it). plugged the suction line from the switch and ran the vent tube down as instructed
Made absolutely no difference in the stalling issue however there are no codes thrown..

Mine still stalls usually at start up a couple of times.. Sometimes when I am de-accelerating coming up to a light (or sometimes just to keep things interesting,,, when in an intersection... :eek: Lots of fun:eek:

I have just consoled myself to the fact that no matter how much you spend on a 1299 Panigale and no matter how many different things I try or how many times I have it in the shop, it is STILL going to die on me..

This will be my last Ducati experience...:( I have had enough of the "Ducati big twin cylinder "Character " It is evidently un fixable...
I don't know what really causes it but it is definitely a serious design flaw that the Ducati factory will neither fix or even recognize as a problem.... Not to mention the terrible low speed throttle response and surging etc...at anything below 12% throttle...


Speedy

G8tr Aug 10th 2016 09:23 AM

Wrussi, did that fix the stalling for you?

HarmonyJim Aug 10th 2016 09:33 AM

My 2012 Tricolore has never stalled, both with and without the charcoal canister. Weird how this seems to affect certain bikes (similar to the oil burning issues on early models) but not others. I am running the TuneBoy now with the full Termi system, and while the fueling isn't perfect, it is far better than the OEM upmap stick program that comes with the full Termi. Still, never a stalling issue.

speedy14 Aug 10th 2016 11:22 AM

It is different on the 1199


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