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Old Sep 3rd 2016, 10:14 PM   #1
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Teach me how to brake downshift with quick shift without causing bike to pogo ???

Could someone teach me how to brake and downshift with quick shifter without causing bike to pogo or bobbing back and forth like an imbecile ???

I really suck at riding super sports as you know I'm a Harley rider and been riding cruisers most of the time.

I am not ashamed to ask for help and the area i live in they don't really have this sort of things available to teach riders to become better at riding super sports bikes.

I want to learn how to up shift and down shift very smoothly using quick shifter - every time i go from 2nd gear to 1st to grab the brake lever the bike juts forward as if i am about to do a stoppy I can't get it right

If you have a video on how to do this it would be even better !!!


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Old Sep 3rd 2016, 11:04 PM   #2
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You must go fast. For in town riding I still use the clutch, clutch works even if DQS is U-D. I have great results is creating pops and crackles using the clutch in combination with QS in town.
QS works best in high power mode, I have thus set the engine output in SPORT mode to HIGH.
QS up works best when the throttle is open and the engine is under a good amount of load, as soon as throttle is at small openings things get less smooth.

Same for slowing down and braking , I have set EBC to 3 for the road, this allows you to have the throttle closed fully while braking and downshifting without it being too harsh at lower speeds.
Get some speed, close throttle fully, downs shift. You can go all the way into first very smoothly, but you have to be riding pretty aggressively. If you are just cruising with light inputs use the clutch.

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Old Sep 4th 2016, 01:54 AM   #3
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Ahh thanks you're right the clutch is so smooth in town.

I'm going to use clutch from now on
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Old Sep 4th 2016, 11:10 PM   #4
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Hmmm, I think this may be selling the quick shifter a bit short. Agreed that when accelerating or braking hard with high revs the quick shift up/down is awesome and "easy" to use.

But I can ride around town in traffic "all day" only using the clutch when coming to a complete standstill (or filtering, etc). You don't need a handful of revs - just ride it and use the DQS to gear change 1st, 2nd, 3rd (about as far as you need to go in town :-)) in what could be called "short-shifting" mode (low/medium revs, gentle throttle). And the trick to going down smoothly from 3rd, 2nd, 1st (I think) is to make sure to have the throttle fully closed (does need conscious thought sometimes to do)! Again, no heroics, just gentle, sensible riding as befits city traffic.
There's no reason why you can't use the clutch (sometimes it pays to just to retain the "feel") but you're missing out on a useful (concentrate on the traffic, not clutching) and fun (auto blips) feature of the 1299...



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Old Sep 4th 2016, 11:21 PM   #5
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Hmmm, I think this may be selling the quick shifter a bit short. Agreed that when accelerating or braking hard with high revs the quick shift up/down is awesome and "easy" to use.

But I can ride around town in traffic "all day" only using the clutch when coming to a complete standstill (or filtering, etc). You don't need a handful of revs - just ride it and use the DQS to gear change 1st, 2nd, 3rd (about as far as you need to go in town :-)) in what could be called "short-shifting" mode (low/medium revs, gentle throttle). And the trick to going down smoothly from 3rd, 2nd, 1st (I think) is to make sure to have the throttle fully closed (does need conscious thought sometimes to do)! Again, no heroics, just gentle, sensible riding as befits city traffic.
There's no reason why you can't use the clutch (sometimes it pays to just to retain the "feel") but you're missing out on a useful (concentrate on the traffic, not clutching) and fun (auto blips) feature of the 1299...



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I been riding same as you but sometimes it gets rough lol maybe because our bikes are still new.
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Old Sep 4th 2016, 11:32 PM   #6
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Yeah, it is a bit of a "mind over matter" thing that requires recalibration of (old? :-)) brains that are so used to the clutch, and some practice. I do sometimes get it all wrong (especially 2nd to 1st) but it's cool when I get it right! :-).

I have/had other bikes (Aprilia's) with QS up only and the (admittedly newer) Ducati system is way better/smoother around town and in "spirited" riding.

Enjoy the challenge! :-)


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Old Sep 5th 2016, 12:18 AM   #7
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I am so used to the manual clutch system lol.
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Old Sep 5th 2016, 02:06 AM   #8
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DQS seems to behave optimally when riding hard. It might be rider error, but I've had some odd behavior when using it at "cruising" speeds.
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Old Oct 28th 2016, 11:40 AM   #9
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Well, my quick shifter just packed up. Took her to the dealer today. She started cutting irregularly on closed throttle without me touching the shifter. I switched to WET mode on the fly in which I had the QS set to off. The stuttering immediately stopped. On next key on I got the engine light, mode light flickers and QS indicator only shows a line not "off".
Dealer had the same error on an S last week.
They will diagnose on Monday....
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Old Oct 28th 2016, 12:29 PM   #10
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Most of the time I still use the clutch, expecially spirited riding on the downshifting.
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