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Old Sep 7th 2016, 03:50 PM   #21
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Same thing happened to me with the CRG carbon shorty's. Had them on for a week. The difference wasn't huge, but I felt like I had a better feel with OEM. Swapped them back and sold the CRG's.
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Old Sep 7th 2016, 04:04 PM   #22
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OEM brembo. Especially the RCS. Golden.
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Old Sep 7th 2016, 09:11 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by MotoX183 View Post
This seems pretty suspect.. just changing a lever shouldn't have much in the way of impact, unless said lever has more "flex" which might attribute to a spongier feel.

Does the CF CRG lever swap somehow mess with leverage ratio on the MC piston? I assume it is just a direct replacement for the stock lever, but perhaps I'm mistaken..
I agree it sounds suspect and wouldn't have believed it either if I wasn't there. It wasn't flex in the lever. Not sure if somehow the lever was pushing on the plunger oddly and creating air in the system? It was and still seems weird to me as well...
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Old Sep 8th 2016, 06:10 AM   #24
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Chaotic, this may sound dumb but what levers are you using? Reason I ask is my friend was having serious fade and bleeding issues on his 1199R and seems that his CF CRG lever was contributing to his issue. Under warranty they replaced his MC and the issue went away and then he had his CF CRG lever put back on and the problem came back until he switched back to the stock lever again. Just a thought...
I originally had CRG CF on it also. Changed back to OEM and it didn't help anything.

We actually changed back because I wanted a remote brake lever adjuster mounted on the left bar, but the CRG levers won't accept one. So we had to go back with the OEM levers to put the remove adjuster on.

Unfortunately the brake feel/performance was unchanged.
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Old Sep 8th 2016, 06:40 AM   #25
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Actually a good point from flobrandx!
BTW I had to replace the OEM brembo master cylinder (1x clutch on a M1200, 1x front brake on a 1199) because of "internal leaking problem"

Switching to brembo MCS or RCS isn't a bad idea, but expensive.

Funny thing is you find brembo RCS fakes from China for 60.- bucks. I already considered buying one just for fun and test how it works
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Old Sep 8th 2016, 08:28 AM   #26
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I wouldn't put one of those fakeass "Brembo" things on my bike, no way.

They are NOT Brembo, not even close. Poor materials and craftsmanship, no attention to tolerances, QC is non-existent.

When it comes to something like decals, or tank pads, or wrist bands for the reservoir, sure why not. But there is no way I would use any of that cheapass Chinese bullshit on my bike when it comes to think involved in actually controlling the motorcycle (levers, MC, etc).

Way too many horror stories out there of crashes being caused by them. Some brand-based forums even have "stickies" with several links of said crashes as a warning to others.
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Old Sep 8th 2016, 12:36 PM   #27
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Been racing my 1299 in the twin class for 5months, my Ducati dealer upgraded the lines, replaced the brake fluid and pads prior to supplying the bike.
I ride with the ABS off and I can say the brakes are great no fade not a problem.
Carnt see the point in bypassing the ABS when you can adjust/turn off in different conditions
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Chris, the way all those systems work (ABS, TC, WC) is the phonic wheel mounted to both wheels. The system senses differences in wheel speed between front and back by reading the phonic wheel. I know it would still be able to sense those differences because all you have done is rerouted the path for the brake fluid to the calipers. However, I don't know if the other systems would still work properly. Maybe Jarel could answer this.
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Chaotic the 1299S is a tough one because the brakes and semi active DES works in conjunction with each other along with the 3 axis gyro. I would imagine you would have to turn off the dynamic suspension which you probably did since you are racing it. Also you will lose corner lean ABS. The TC and WC will continue to work. Leave pump in, cap off the lines and run new brakes lines from MC to calipers you should be good to go.

I had to adjust the little push rod further out on the CRG Carbons to get better modulation with the lever adjusted to my liking when I swapped to them on my 1199, 1299S and Panigale R. after that I had no problems with modulation.
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I was talking to a guy who runs a Superstock team using Panigales and he said they have a method to remove the ABS on the R. I'll need to go back to him for details as it wasn't straightforward and we were discussing a bunch of other things at the time.
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