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Old Oct 28th 2016, 08:10 AM   #1
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Mugello Lap Times 1299SL vs 1199SL (pic)

Someone here posted something about the new SL being so much faster than the 1199SL on the track. I give you the lap times from Mugello. This is what you get for an additional 20K with a professional rider and I guarantee you they took the absolute best lap of many. Im struggling to see how this equates to a dual mapped electronics package, lighter weight, and a 220 hp power plant.
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Old Oct 28th 2016, 08:38 AM   #2
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I am pretty sure that Ducati is going to make this document disappear.
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Old Oct 28th 2016, 08:55 AM   #3
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For reference, the time they stated for the 1299s was 1:55.3. Not sure what the standard R time is, other than TJ99 saying it was slightly quicker than the 1299 in the past I think.
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Well if your a pro wsbk team, 6 or 7 tenths would be huge, but for track day/canyon racer enthusiast it just wouldn't show up on the stop watch.
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I wonder how many test they did with the first SL and if the figures go down for the second SL on subsequent tests?

Over half a second is quite substantial out of the box. The way it goes about it just as important as well.
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Yeah, to most that doesn't sound like much. But I kinda think they have pushed the limit of the platform. Any measured improvements at this point are going to be incremental. That isn't to say the actual riding experience might not be totally different.

And a half second a lap is getting your ass kicked in an actual race. Just depends on your perspective. I don't think the times posted are really going to make much of a difference to anyone who is buying one, nor do I think they really affect anyone who isn't. I think it's cool Ducati is pushing the envelope with materials and tech, even if they have reached a point of diminishing returns. It did also occur to me just now that the times may actually be tire limited more than anything at this point as well. Slap some slicks on it and see what happens. There are lots of bikes that are fine on street tires, that tie themselves in knots when you throw a ton more grip at them.
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Half a second a lap is a 5 second lead over a short 10 lap sprint. That's very substantial.
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All valid points and substantiated some things. What's going to happen is that the posted half second lap time is going to translate into how substantial a platform this is in a race environment over multiple laps which it will never see. I knew it would go that way that's why I posted it. That's not reality. Reality is that for the guy who is really going to buy it, it translate into absolutely zero forward movement over the current SL for a lot more $$. There are new electronics that I'm told will be interchangeable. Again the "improvement" here may be noticeable over the 1199 assuming your just such a bad ass that you have completely tapped the usability of the current package. Not reality. The use of new materials is great for sure but the ROI so far from the specs I have seen and the bike I have seen just isn't there over the current SL. The "parts" on the bike are all off the 1199 SL. Forks, brakes, rotors, MCs, rearsets, triple, radiator, shock,subframe, clip ins, controls, tank etc. All stock. Fasteners are the same as the SL. All the "visible" fasteners are Ti. All the non visalble fasteners are stock just like they did with the 1199. The swingarm in the photo is metal with a carbon shell. There isn't a finished CF swingarm as of the launch. It's too hard to make out the frame. It looks "covered" as well as I'm sure the "real deal" is not done yet. The wheels have been discussed. There is a multi map electronic package. The exhaust to me is a disaster. The added the two cans at the rear but had to keep the existing chambers under the bike. The system is huge and for sure outweighs the current one. I hope it ships with a race exhaust as well. So no. I would buy an 1199SL in a heartbeat if this is the package they are going to give me for 80k.
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All true. So maybe just don't buy one then? To give it more perspective, Nicky Hayden turned a 1:51.2 on a WSBK Panigale at Mugello. There are a couple of seconds just in slapping slicks on and yanking all the street stuff on a stock bike. Plus Nicky is likely a quicker rider than Valia. There really is only so far you can go anymore.

Some people want to build, some want to buy. End of the day it's all about what excites you.
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99% of us can't fully exploit this performance of these bikes. But when it comes to deciding whether these type of bikes have improved or not, I'd venture to say that most look to see if the performance has increased. Lap times, quarter mile times for example are the most common measuring stick. If performance doesn't matter, it's just a piece of art pretty or ugly.
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