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Old May 30th 2017, 07:29 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by endodoc View Post
HSince Ducati is monkeying around with electronics maybe they could direct a bit more attention to the part that keeps the bike from dying on their customers or from having to spend $1000.00 on engine management pieces to make them run like they should have from the factory.

...b/c sadly selling this for $600 is far easier to achieve and more lucrative. I wonder how many people who don't get paid to ride a motorcycle will even notice if it doesn't work.

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Old May 30th 2017, 07:52 PM   #22
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Well said sir.
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Old May 30th 2017, 08:43 PM   #23
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...b/c sadly selling this for $600 is far easier to achieve and more lucrative. I wonder how many people who don't get paid to ride a motorcycle will even notice if it doesn't work.

Yeah, may not be for everyone, but I'd like to give it a go.

I've have to either turn mine off or set to a max of 1. Too much intervention when attempting to steer with the rear. With it off, you can get it to pivot at the apex better, but just have to be more precise and rely entirely on your right wrist. Doesn't do much in the way of extending tire life, but meh.. it's a track bike! :P
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Old May 30th 2017, 10:22 PM   #24
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Motox183. In your case, it makes sense. I however am still trying to figure out how to steer with the front. It does sound fun though.
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Old May 30th 2017, 11:30 PM   #25
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i wonder why they can't implement this on the R's
You sure it isn't already on the R's? I swear I read the R already has these systems...maybe only the 2017?
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Old May 31st 2017, 03:21 AM   #26
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Doesn't do much in the way of extending tire life, but meh.. it's a track bike! :P

Here I go ...start an argument, no... discussion. I reckon, it would extend tire life, an advancement from GP or WSBK, designed to preserve tire life ?
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For what it's worth. The early BMW S1000rr's traction control was not smooth at all. I saw all kinds of crazy tire wear as a result of it. Same thing with poorly set up Bazzaz systems. You could almost tell that it was cutting in and out too abrubtly, and most every fast guy I ever met rode with it off completely. As OEM traction control has gotten more advanced, I've noticed that this issue has become less prevalent trackside. So I would imagine the upgrade would help with tire wear for someone at the pointy end of the track.

Highly doubt that unless you are utilizing the concept of steering with the rear purposely like Motox183 is that it would be a "must-have" for anyone else though. But that's just my opinion and not to be construed as fact.

As for not being on the "R". My non-educated guess is that it simply doesn't really affect sales enough for them to come up with a new calibration for that model. They use a totally different electronics package for their official race bikes anyway, as even the "Evo" system is still not likely up to the task of real competition use for someone at that level. I think Ducati is still using a 3 axis setup vs the newer generation having 5 or 6. So there is probably only so much they can do before they simply need to equip the bike with better hardware.

Edit: I wonder if going to something like a Gripone setup or similiar wouldn't be a better idea for those who really NEED the upgrade. They are most likely tracking/racing competitively. Not having the ability to actually adjust the parameters would be a negative for that person. Just a random thought.

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Originally Posted by jarelj View Post
Here are a few details on the "Ducati Performance Software Package":

This is specifically for 2015-2016 Panigale 1299 and 1299S models only, and upgrades the DTC and DWC programs to the EVO version that is now standard on the 2017 models. This an ACCESSORY which can be purchased, this is not part of the regular ECU Updates that occur automatically during routine services as they become available from Ducati. The upgraded software algorithms get installed in the BBS unit on the bike, which is the ECU that sits under the seat, not the main ECU on the bike. UNLIKE most other accessories, this one gets tied directly to the VIN# of the bike it's being installed on at the time of purchase, and must installed on that VIN# bike at the dealership using the DDS system. MSRP on the accessory, part# 96580151A is $565, plus any installation costs charged by the dealer installing it. So if you want it, you need to contact your dealer and initiate the order so they can get it ordered for your VIN#.
So if this is the 2017 software wouldn't it be pre-installed in the black box unit for 2017 and onwards? Couldn't you just buy the newer BBU which is under $400 and plug it in?
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Negative tower. The 2017 BBS with the EVO software from Ducati has an MSRP of $2500.00 so, yes you can physically but not for under $400.00
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Originally Posted by jarelj View Post
Here are a few details on the "Ducati Performance Software Package":

This is specifically for 2015-2016 Panigale 1299 and 1299S models only, and upgrades the DTC and DWC programs to the EVO version that is now standard on the 2017 models. This an ACCESSORY which can be purchased, this is not part of the regular ECU Updates that occur automatically during routine services as they become available from Ducati. The upgraded software algorithms get installed in the BBS unit on the bike, which is the ECU that sits under the seat, not the main ECU on the bike. UNLIKE most other accessories, this one gets tied directly to the VIN# of the bike it's being installed on at the time of purchase, and must installed on that VIN# bike at the dealership using the DDS system. MSRP on the accessory, part# 96580151A is $565, plus any installation costs charged by the dealer installing it. So if you want it, you need to contact your dealer and initiate the order so they can get it ordered for your VIN#.
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Negative tower. The 2017 BBS with the EVO software from Ducati has an MSRP of $2500.00 so, yes you can physically but not for under $400.00
According to Jarel, the 2017 models ship with the "evo" software standard, so all BBUs should be pre-loaded with the new algorithm. If you look up the BBU part numbers they are identical with the exception that they went from an "1E" designation to a new "2F" designation with the 2017 models which as Jarel stated come standard with the EVO software. In fact, the old part number now superceeds to the 2017 BBU part number. Price listed for the 2017 BBU from Ducati Omaha is $362.84. YMMV
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