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Old May 31st 2017, 10:22 AM   #11
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My dealers have demo fleets but I don't bother. With over 33 years of riding, I know what I want. I'll take a demo to get lunch if I'm waiting on my bike for some reason though.
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Old Jun 1st 2017, 02:33 AM   #12
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I've never test ridden a motorcycle that I've owned.....ever! Total of 7 motorcycles. I did test ride a dragster in 2015 but I bought the RC recently. I guess that may be the only one that would count since it's the same model.

To me, buying a bike is purely based on looks. I haven't been disappointed with any bike purchase in the 15yrs that I've been riding. Doesn't mean everyone will take this approach but test riding a bike for me isn't necessary, nor will it help make my decision one way or another.


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Yes, bikes are by in large looks and emotional purchases, but If you want me to spend 20k+ on a highly depreciating asset, it makes sense I can test how it feels to ride. After all, if I put it in my living room and just sat on it, then perhaps I don't need to ride it.

I say all of this but have in fact bought motorcycles I didn't ride. Mainly because dealers don't let you and I didn't have a choice. I was looking at a 09 R1, asked the dealer if I could demo one, he said after I signed the paperwork. Gee thanks! I ended up buying a BMW that I did demo.

Now there are options. BMW, Aprilia, Ducati all have appear to have dealer demo programs. I'm sure there are others out there.

After buying a CBR1000RR I realized I didn't like it all that much. Mainly because the tank would vibrate and it put my junk to sleep and made it numb. After about a year of that I had to move on. Demo'ed a S1000RR twice before I bought it. As far as the Ducati, I would have never considered it had I not taken it for a demo ride.
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I'll stand up for dealers in general, there are many more factors that come into play on our side of things. Some dealers are in areas where they can't get insurance to cover demo rides. Some are just operating a "traditional" model and demo rides are not part of it, that's not "good or bad" it just is what it is, and that's where you get to choose where you want to do business. For most of us, we do participate in the Demo program and it's a huge net positive for us to have bikes available for people to ride. But not for the reasons stated in this thread, the guy who already knows what he wants and just wants to ride it first, does not require a demo program. We can service out any bike to let someone ride it before buying any time, if we choose to, which we have done many times. To us the demo program sells more bikes because of people who aren't sure what they want, and don't know until they get that AH-HA! moment when they ride the right bike. Honestly, we would probably sell about the same number of Panigales regardless of whether we have a demo model or not, that market (sportbikes) is generally "I know what I want", it's the other bikes that really benefit more from demos, especially bikes like the XDiavel and Multistrada.
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Old Jun 1st 2017, 08:31 AM   #14
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I'll stand up for dealers in general, there are many more factors that come into play on our side of things. Some dealers are in areas where they can't get insurance to cover demo rides. Some are just operating a "traditional" model and demo rides are not part of it, that's not "good or bad" it just is what it is, and that's where you get to choose where you want to do business. For most of us, we do participate in the Demo program and it's a huge net positive for us to have bikes available for people to ride. But not for the reasons stated in this thread, the guy who already knows what he wants and just wants to ride it first, does not require a demo program. We can service out any bike to let someone ride it before buying any time, if we choose to, which we have done many times. To us the demo program sells more bikes because of people who aren't sure what they want, and don't know until they get that AH-HA! moment when they ride the right bike. Honestly, we would probably sell about the same number of Panigales regardless of whether we have a demo model or not, that market (sportbikes) is generally "I know what I want", it's the other bikes that really benefit more from demos, especially bikes like the XDiavel and Multistrada.


Well said.
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Old Jun 1st 2017, 09:47 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by jarelj View Post
I'll stand up for dealers in general, there are many more factors that come into play on our side of things.
This doesn't address what the OP reported. He reported that he would only be allowed a test ride if he put down a non-refundable deposit. Presumably that deposit could be used to purchase any bike in their inventory..but still, that is an unusual policy.
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Old Jun 1st 2017, 10:57 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Slowdive2 View Post
This doesn't address what the OP reported. He reported that he would only be allowed a test ride if he put down a non-refundable deposit. Presumably that deposit could be used to purchase any bike in their inventory..but still, that is an unusual policy.


I think we all agree, the ops dealer is a bad dealer. Lol
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The dealer is very conservative and feels he can get away with it. I have never dealt with a dealer that had a NON-refundable deposit. It's usually a credit card run in case I damage the bike. Can't blame them for that. This dealer does NOT have a demo policy. I have been to dealers (typically the Japanese makes) that didn't have a demo policy but would have me sign all the paperwork for trying before buying and if I didn't like the bike, they tear up the paperwork providing I didn't damage the bike. If I like it, I bought it. Again, that isn't a demo policy.

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Originally Posted by Slowdive2 View Post
This doesn't address what the OP reported. He reported that he would only be allowed a test ride if he put down a non-refundable deposit. Presumably that deposit could be used to purchase any bike in their inventory..but still, that is an unusual policy.
I'm not going to second-guess a specific situation at another dealer, all I'm saying is there is not a "standard" demo ride policy that is common to all Ducati dealers, it's an individual decision made at the dealer level. For example if the dealer doesn't have insurance to cover demo rides, then they very well may require "purchase" paperwork of some kind (subject to their State laws) for someone who wants to ride a bike before buying, and the new "owner" of the bike is responsible for the bike while riding it, and then if they decide not to buy the "sale" is unwound. There can be all kinds of different situations. It's not a minor deal for us to offer demo rides, it's a HUGE deal and HUGE liability risk for the dealer. Even though you sign a waiver to take a demo ride, that doesn't mean some lawyer still isn't going to sue us when you crash on our demo bike, which will cost us thousands of dollars. And some people say "Oh, you have insurance for it, so what do you care?" Guess what, the deductible on our insurance for demo rides is $10,000! Plus the issues with the waiver when you sign and then you crash, and decide you don't want to pay, our insurance company will sue you and you'll be paying for a lot more than just the repair cost on the bike. We don't like that either, when our customers get sued by our insurance company, that's bad PR. We've had that happen infrequently (only twice in 11 years, knock on wood) but still it's not something where we just throw demo bikes out there and never give it a second thought. Any dealer that is offering demo rides is doing it DESPITE all the hurdles because we think the benefit outweighs the risk in our own situation, and that's a dealer-level decision. So when I hear someone say "This dealer sucks, they don't offer demo rides" I don't think that's very cool. The dealer might very well suck, but that's a different issue!
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Thanks for the clarification Jarel. That makes perfect sense.
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Thanks guys. Very good opinions. I appreciate everyones input.
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