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Old Jun 9th 2017, 10:37 AM   #1
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DQS - Upshifting Problem

Hi everyone,

I looked around the forum and couldn't find an applicable answer; hoping you can help.

I am having intermittent DQS upshifting problems. I would say it works 90% of the time like a charm / silky smooth upshifts. There are however, times at which it doesn't work and depending on the situation it can be dangerous. For instance, this week I tracked the bike, and few times during hard accelerations coming off the turn it did not upshift going from almost redline 2nd gear to 3rd, jerking the bike almost throwing me off the bike. It also happened on the straightaway not going to 4th, and intermittently around the track from time to time.

(and yes, I do keep the throttle open, and I normally upshift at higher RPMs)


The Ducati coach / tech guy (from Ducati4U event) said it might be the traction control prohibiting upshifting since on that specific turn you would have a bit of lean angle while having to accelerate. I reduced the DTC from 3 to 2, and still same issue (and plus I am not a super aggressive rider...).

Then I thought it might be the lever adjustment on how it sits on my boot and I may not give it enough push upwards... re-adjusted the lever, and even when I push up hard on the lever, same problem can happen again!

Once before (during break-in period) I asked the dealer about it and they said it is working fine and I thought it may be an "operator error". Now with more experience on the bike I think there is something off but don't have another point of comparison. Before going back to the dealer (and potentially getting brushed off again), wanted to get your thoughts/experience. Is this normal? Have you had the same issue?

Cheers guys... thanks in advance.
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this is actually a well documented problem on this forum and many of us have had to resort to buying a whole new sensor, preferably from an aftermarket manufacturer like Translogic.

The Translogic unit, and possible other aftermarket units, use a strain gauge which is far more precise than the microswitch that comes stock on the bike. The play that's engineering into the OEM microswitch has given a lot of people grief, especially track riders, and at times, like you said, is dangerous when you're asking for the next shift and you get nothing. The Translogic unit replaces the stock sensor, comes with a new shifter arm (but you should replace it as it sucks and has been known to snap if you step to shift too hard) and the wiring is plug and play.

If you want to keep playing with the stock unit, make sure the shift arm and the lever on the rearset are at a 90 degree and to maintain positive pressure when going for the next shift; however, by the sounds of it, it looks like you've already tried that and still resulted in no change.
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My only experience were very occasionally it would miss mainly due to less than firm shifting but it was never jerky to the point of almost throwing me off.
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Old Jun 9th 2017, 11:13 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Sky View Post
Hi everyone,

I looked around the forum and couldn't find an applicable answer; hoping you can help.

I am having intermittent DQS upshifting problems. I would say it works 90% of the time like a charm / silky smooth upshifts. There are however, times at which it doesn't work and depending on the situation it can be dangerous. For instance, this week I tracked the bike, and few times during hard accelerations coming off the turn it did not upshift going from almost redline 2nd gear to 3rd, jerking the bike almost throwing me off the bike. It also happened on the straightaway not going to 4th, and intermittently around the track from time to time.

(and yes, I do keep the throttle open, and I normally upshift at higher RPMs)


The Ducati coach / tech guy (from Ducati4U event) said it might be the traction control prohibiting upshifting since on that specific turn you would have a bit of lean angle while having to accelerate. I reduced the DTC from 3 to 2, and still same issue (and plus I am not a super aggressive rider...).

Then I thought it might be the lever adjustment on how it sits on my boot and I may not give it enough push upwards... re-adjusted the lever, and even when I push up hard on the lever, same problem can happen again!

Once before (during break-in period) I asked the dealer about it and they said it is working fine and I thought it may be an "operator error". Now with more experience on the bike I think there is something off but don't have another point of comparison. Before going back to the dealer (and potentially getting brushed off again), wanted to get your thoughts/experience. Is this normal? Have you had the same issue?

Cheers guys... thanks in advance.
Sky,

I just had this same issue along with the bike having a hard interruption while riding. Ducati replaced the electronic shifter unit ( I waited 3 weeks for the part) and and all is back to Ducati greatness.

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Old Jun 10th 2017, 12:35 PM   #5
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I too would be interested in more views as I also have this problem between 5th and 6th gears only and its not the shifter.
I have tried various lever and foot-peg angles and assumed that it was just me. if i concentrate really hard it goes in cleanly but then later on the revs rocket as I miss it again. maybe just once or twice only in a ride but disconcerting, only started end of last year. The dealer told me to hold onto the gear longer as its an "R" and needs to be ridden hard!
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Old Jun 11th 2017, 09:01 AM   #6
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Had this problem to a degree. Changed rearsets to reduce the lever throw (~35mm OEM => 20mm since I have dinky size 7 feet) and the issue is much reduced. I agree with previous posters that the micro switch design isn't brilliant...
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Old Jun 12th 2017, 12:48 AM   #7
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Re my first reply
I now have a "Sports Bike Developments" blip-box downshift that incorporates a two direction link for both up and down shifts but the trouble with missing sixth still occurs occasionally with this set up.
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Old Jun 12th 2017, 06:27 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by SuperDuc29 View Post
My only experience were very occasionally it would miss mainly due to less than firm shifting but it was never jerky to the point of almost throwing me off.
My experience too...I find you have to be very firm, much firmer than you would need to execute a clutched shift.
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Old Jun 12th 2017, 07:10 AM   #9
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I had this issue yesterday trying to go from 4th to 5th. the dash even got confused and started flashing 4 and 5 back and forth real rapidly. tried it again a few times with the same results but it only happened between 4th and 5th with high rpms.
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Old Jun 13th 2017, 05:06 AM   #10
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A quick update...

Took the bike to the dealership; he checked for software updates (it was already up to date), then he said they serviced, tightened, cleaned and lubricated the components. I havent had the chance to track the bike, but on the streets/highway it seems fine now. The shifting is more precise than before, which leads me to believe it could have been the adjustment issue!

I hope the issue is gone, but will keep you updated on how things evolve.

Cheers, and thanks for everyone's insights.
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