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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:19 PM   #61
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Originally Posted by endodoc View Post
LOL, that's the flipping point. For 90k I better not be getting 90% of the parts that come on the bike costing less than a third the price. when you take a base 1299 and add the pieces that make it a 1299sl (factory pieces exact same bike) the tally sheet isn't even close to what Ducati charged those people. They paid 30k for a triple clamp stamp. Fact. You gotta really enjoy that trip to the factory for that kind of difference.
....was it the Lobster Bisque you returned....you stay so rigid in your approach on this topic, that one could wonder if you enjoy the bike for what it is....be it a home grown hybrid, or a factory jewel ready to ride

here we go again:
its doubtful that it is possible to take a 1299s and "convert it" (LOL!!) to an SL for less than you can buy one.....thats just laughable...next thing you know you'll factor in depreciation or dollar per mile costs.....OMG !! "get a grip"...we are supposed to enjoy them, not turn in to a coupon holding grandma at the cashier (although i must admit they impress me at times.....especially when the cashier hands them money back !!)

...anyway, here's my run on it for the umteenth time:

1299s $28k(?)

carbonara wheels - 10k
carbon frame - 8k
carbon swing arm - 8k
carbon sub frame - 8 k
carbon fairings - 8k
sand cast crank case - installed (LOL - LOL)
aluminum cylinder liners installed - (LOL)
Ti Valves installed -(LOL)
Ti Exhaust installed - 8k
Ohlins Forks (lightened) - 4k
Remote Brake lever adjuster LOL - 4k ?? lol !!
Ti tiddly-bits & bits & bits $100 ?

thats just the quick math.....ok so get out there and source it all up, upgrade the parts to your higher level....and get back to me....
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:19 PM   #62
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Sometimes highly modded bikes are nothing more than a bucket of bolts so to speak because they haven't been tested and developed together so that the bike works seamlessly. Often highly modded bikes work great one way but are headaches in other areas or they turn into a money pit of frustration to be sold off to other unsuspecting buyers looking for a bargain (on paper). Sometimes a few choice aftermarket pieces or "highrange?" pieces from the factory can make a basic bike work almost as good (some could say arguably better than) as the real thing. But some are willing to pay extra for the factory engineering and warranty behind the machine. Yes, with Ducati one pays quite a premium for it but if you got the bucks and value is more bother than it's worth........
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:22 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by endodoc View Post
Join the conversation. There are more than a few guys on this very board who for less $$ built a much higher end bike and costs are easily verifiable I just bought a Factory, new in the wrapper SL frame and swingarm. There is a whole engine kit, frame etc on eBay right now. There is another guy in Houston that has 2 sets of everything. I will chime out on the dead horse. Great bike. Way overpriced but I'm sure the purchase price included a matching numbered keychain or pocket knife so I guess it's all worth it.
I think you are totally missing the point of why people buy special editions... because they are special / rare / unique. Could you build a bike that could lap a track faster than an SL for less money? Maybe. But it wouldn't be an SL. If I chose to empty my bank account and light the cash on fire, I don't see how that would affect you at all. So there's no need to sit there and call the buyers stupid or irrational. Use your money however you see fit and I will do the same.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:24 PM   #64
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:27 PM   #65
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Originally Posted by SuperDuc29 View Post
Sometimes highly modded bikes are nothing more than a bucket of bolts so to speak because they haven't been tested and developed together so that the bike works seamlessly. Often highly modded bikes work great one way but are headaches in other areas or they turn into a money pit of frustration to be sold off to other unsuspecting buyers looking for a bargain (on paper). Sometimes a few choice aftermarket pieces or "highrange?" pieces from the factory can make a basic bike work almost as good (some could say arguably better than) as the real thing. But some are willing to pay extra for the factory engineering and warranty behind the machine. Yes, with Ducati one pays quite a premium for it but if you got the bucks and value is more bother than it's worth........

money amounts aside....you hit the nail on the head here.....but although you can lead the horse to water, its not very easy to make them drink it...

you do not need to be a rocket scientist or science project builder to realize what you said there is valid beyond all science project reasoning

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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:30 PM   #66
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Originally Posted by Castro View Post
I think you are totally missing the point of why people buy special editions... because they are special / rare / unique. Could you build a bike that could lap a track faster than an SL for less money? Maybe. But it wouldn't be an SL. If I chose to empty my bank account and light the cash on fire, I don't see how that would affect you at all. So there's no need to sit there and call the buyers stupid or irrational. Use your money however you see fit and I will do the same.
....he's still returning his soup he bought (yesterday) back at the deli...not for the money, but because he can make better soup !

<seinfeld soup episode>
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:31 PM   #67
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Originally Posted by Duc749r View Post
To each their own. You point is clear. Buy a cheaper bike, modify it for much less and there you go. You have a faster bike than a $85k factory bike for a fraction of the cost. I'll have to ask about the key chain and pocket knife, didn't see that 🤔
Ducati sent pocket knives to demo riders last season - key chains come attached to new bike key
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RD16RR You might want to double check you numbers against what is for sale right now. You're not even close. Ducati factory mechanics? you mean the hourly workers manning the pneumatic guns? another slap in the face to Ducati Omaha, Boulder Motorsports, Duck Shop, Fox etc. I would take a bike from those guys every day of the week over the chain smoking assembly workers at Ducati. And Castro. Not bashing the buyers. Thats what they are, buyers. They have to settle for what is given because the are not builders. Builders and fabricators get the good stuff and they get it how they want it. Buyers get what is given. That simple. Slaves to what is offered with no alternatives.
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Originally Posted by RD16RR View Post
....was it the Lobster Bisque you returned....you stay so rigid in your approach on this topic, that one could wonder if you enjoy the bike for what it is....be it a home grown hybrid, or a factory jewel ready to ride

here we go again:
its doubtful that it is possible to take a 1299s and "convert it" (LOL!!) to an SL for less than you can buy one.....thats just laughable...next thing you know you'll factor in depreciation or dollar per mile costs.....OMG !! "get a grip"...we are supposed to enjoy them, not turn in to a coupon holding grandma at the cashier (although i must admit they impress me at times.....especially when the cashier hands them money back !!)

...anyway, here's my run on it for the umteenth time:

1299s $28k(?)

carbonara wheels - 10k
carbon frame - 8k
carbon swing arm - 8k
carbon sub frame - 8 k
carbon fairings - 8k
sand cast crank case - installed (LOL - LOL)
aluminum cylinder liners installed - (LOL)
Ti Valves installed -(LOL)
Ti Exhaust installed - 8k
Ohlins Forks (lightened) - 4k
Remote Brake lever adjuster LOL - 4k ?? lol !!
Ti tiddly-bits & bits & bits $100 ?

thats just the quick math.....ok so get out there and source it all up, upgrade the parts to your higher level....and get back to me....
the frame is $5,500 on ebay, and the swingarm is also for sale also less than your above quote. at $5,500 for the frame i say that is a bad purchase-- really bad-- given that it's a liability on the street imnsho. the swingarm i laughed at from day one as from what i heard it's not truly solid cf.....

i'm eyeing an 1199sl, but the dealer is being obstinate given on how long they've sat on it, the next sl iteration and the v4. i could prob build a better bike out of the 1299s, but i dont have a place to do it all and dont want to anyhow. & i'm frugal, very frugal......

more importantly, you have to be nuts to eat soup from a deli, esp seafood soups. any prepared foods in supermarkets and such. oh well...

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Old Jul 21st 2017, 01:39 PM   #70
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Originally Posted by endodoc View Post
RD16RR You might want to double check you numbers against what is for sale right now. You're not even close. Ducati factory mechanics? you mean the hourly workers manning the pneumatic guns? another slap in the face to Ducati Omaha, Boulder Motorsports, Duck Shop, Fox etc. I would take a bike from those guys every day of the week over the chain smoking assembly workers at Ducati. And Castro. Not bashing the buyers. Thats what they are, buyers. They have to settle for what is given because the are not builders. Builders and fabricators get the good stuff and they get it how they want it. Buyers get what is given. That simple. Slaves to what is offered with no alternatives.
...double check...?....aren't we supposed to see the better/upgraded/less expensive than factory parts list now ?

all neatly packaged/built by the "builder of choice" as a "better than SL" motorcycle..?...cheaper, better, more reliable, faster, all mighty and all powerful

its "show me the money" time....i did my cost analysis....lets see the flipside
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