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Old Jul 20th 2017, 09:37 AM   #1
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Ducati BHP figures

Something highlighted to me during a different discussion/thread (in fact fell foul of truth be told!) is Ducati and their change in BHP measurement.

When I bought my 2015 R it was advertised as a 205 BHP motorcycle, it even stated at the time, on the panigale R page, 205 BHP. I also owned previous incarnations of the Panigale which at the time were also hailed as 195 bhp. Now we all know a lot of that is a bit of massaging of figures and is the figure at the crank then losses so a real world figure of RWHP was probably a good 10 BHP less which we all kind of knew and accepted.

With the recent arrival of the 1299 R Ducati's site now explains how this figure is measured and how it matches the homologation requirements and the registration document. So out of curiosity I looked back through the model archive. They have now adjusted all of their figures of new bikes and gone through their own archive downgrading all of their old bikes BHP figures too.

I can't help but feel a little hard done by that they can do this and not be pulled up for false advertising.

Stupid question I know but there is obviously a difference in measuring BHP at the crank or with new method of the engine dynomometer....... I thought these were the same?
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 09:50 AM   #2
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I was a little ticked off when I saw they done this. When I bought my 1299S it was one of the key things listed 205BHP. I knew that it was not rwhp but it was still one of the cool factors to say.
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 09:53 AM   #3
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Interesting, yes. So my 1299 went from 205bhp to 197bhp...oh Ducati. #sigh

Here's the exact wording on the disclosure of the revised power measurement:
* The power/torque values indicated are measured using an engine dynamometer according to homologation regulation and they correspond to the homologated data, as quoted in the Bike Registration Document.
It's suspicious that this new power measurement is deployed after the release of the 1299sl/fe...hmnnn.

EDIT: Here's the previous power measurement's disclosure:
*The power values indicated above are measured using a chassis dynamometer. Homologated power data, as quoted in the Bike Registration Document, are measured using an engine dynamometer according to the homologation regulation. The two power values may differ because of the different measurement equipments.

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Old Jul 20th 2017, 09:56 AM   #4
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Look, found in their very own fucking brochure

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The more I think about this the more it pisses me off
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 09:56 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by GunMoto View Post
Interesting, yes. So my 1299 went from 205bhp to 197bhp...oh Ducati. #sigh

Here's the exact wording on the disclosure of the revised power measurement:

It's suspicious that this new power measurement is deployed after the release of the 1299sl/fe...hmnnn.
My -16 R... 185hp....
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 09:58 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Mutt1979 View Post
Look, found in their very own fucking brochure

Attachment 23578

The more I think about this the more it pisses me off
I don't get it.

Did your motorcycle suddenly get slower or does it give you the same thrill as before?
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Originally Posted by Sutki View Post
My -16 R... 185hp....
This is a damn lot of power (some may say too much power) for anything on 2 wheels!
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It doesn't change what my bike makes on a dyno.

WTF does it matter?
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 10:11 AM   #9
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It doesn't change what my bike makes on a dyno.

WTF does it matter?
Because in a different thread I said a stock R would have a better power to weight than the new 1299 R FE which you pulled me up on. While I accepted you were right it made me question it and the figures as quoted by Ducati.

I went back and checked. They've downgraded the whole lot which seems a little odd to me but they can't change the hard copies of their own catalogue.

Bottom line is they've sold thousands of bikes on false information.
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 10:28 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Mutt1979 View Post
Because in a different thread I said a stock R would have a better power to weight than the new 1299 R FE which you pulled me up on. While I accepted you were right it made me question it and the figures as quoted by Ducati.

I went back and checked. They've downgraded the whole lot which seems a little odd to me but they can't change the hard copies of their own catalogue.

Bottom line is they've sold thousands of bikes on false information.
OEM quoted base numbers should always be taken with a grain of salt. Ducati is one of the worst offenders. Most OEM's parasitic loss is around 10%. Ducati is closer to 15%. My 1299S only made 177hp before mods. I don't think it's going to make any less now that Ducati corrected it's numbers.

Mutt, have you ever put your bike on a dyno?
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