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Old Oct 15th 2017, 05:33 PM   #1
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New to me 2017 Panigale R vs 1299S and FE

I was waiting on the 2018 Panigale V4, but after seeing the pictures I see that Ducati is going with the Supersport (fat japanese lines) look. I decided to get a Panigale 2015-2017 (had a 14 base 1199 a while back). It was still not an easy decision since 1299S is a great value, Panigale R is so special and unique, the Final Edition is extra sexy with those Akra WSBK style exhausts.

First I tested the 1299, it's a great improvement over the 1199. The electronics are way less intrusive and the extra 100cc made the bike very rider friendly. It rides smooth around the town and it's still a capable bike with the twisties. The power curve builds up nicely, and it's definitely exhilarating riding around with 180-185whp. They have great deals on them, dealers are trying to unload them. Usually I get close to 10% off on my previous Ducatis, these you can get little more.

Obviously there are no tests on the Panigale R or the Final edition, so for those I had to do the comparison on the paper and trust my gut feeling. Between the 1299S and Final edition, the final price difference (after negotiations) is double. For my taste, that was little too much. Don't get me wrong, if I had more budget for my toys I wouldn't even blink a second and get a 1299 Superleggera, but for now the cost is also part of the factors for me.

I always had a soft spot for the 2015+ Panigale R. I'm not a fan of electronic suspensions, I like Akra pipes better than Termis and the little design details (front and tail) was a nice addition. I was able to negotiate an amazing deal on a brand new one here in Los Angeles. My only fear was that I change bikes too often (39 bikes since 2000, bought already 3 this year alone) and if I decide to unload this soon, one way or another I would lose give or take $10k. Then I looked at 1299S, and I figured the depreciation is going to be the same since R's hold value better and my deal on the R is extra low for the average market. Then I took my own wants and needs into consideration. I only ride suited up canyons or track. Only once a week I take the bike to work to beat the traffic in the morning and I also have a 2017 Yamaha R6 that is super comfy for me to split traffic for that short ride. I don't cruise with my bikes and I want something that is more on the edge. I also like to rev them high (not in the Starbucks parking lot lol) and my current riding level could appreciate and benefit from NIX, TTX suspension (by all means not fully). I decided to pull the trigger and took it home on Thursday. Obviously I was riding all Thursday afternoon and Friday. Here are my observations.

1- Since I had a 1199 Pani, I adapted pretty quick to the bike.

2- This bike is geared to the moon, it hates the 6th gear at 75mph on the freeway. For me, I will not jump and change the gearing yet, but I don't mind lowering the top speed 10mph or so, to take advantage of tighter tracks.

3- From 8 to 12k rpm, this thing is a missile, a beast, a powerhouse. My 16 R1 had exhaust, reflash, gearing and it's nowhere close on the power. The rush is at warp speed and it does put the power down to the ground, no electronics cutting the power or no excessive wheel spin.

4- The suspension is as great as it can get. Absorbs the bumps, feels glued to the corner. Money well worthy spent there.

5- I played with the settings and EBC feels good at OFF and 1. I have to get little more seat time for that, but having it less intrusive helps with the corner entry stability for me.

6- I would like to find a sweet spot for the DWC, I'm not a wheelie guy, but sometimes I do like to get 1-2 foot off the ground on the corner exits. It was set at 2 the whole time and I didn't really push it that much. I will try
6 next time around.

7- Need little more seat time for the DTC.

8- I'm little unsure about the rearsets. I wear a size 12 boots and sometimes it feels planted, but that's one thing I don't want to stress about when pushing.

9- I already installed the TechSpec, they are good quality and good fit. I have Stomp Grip on my R6 and I'm not happy with the glue coming out on that one. It makes a mess on the bike and my leathers in the hot weather.

10- Stock Pirellis are great tires. Lately I'm a bigger fan of Bridgestones. I love the RS10. Also the new R11 track tire is coming out soon. The Bridgestone fronts are shaped little more aggresively, and feels more nimble in
the corners.

11- To be continued as I get more seat time and experience with it...

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Old Oct 15th 2017, 05:53 PM   #2
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Nice insight thanks for that.
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Old Oct 15th 2017, 06:13 PM   #3
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Congrats on the R. Let's do a Angeles Crest ride sometime.

Shoot me a PM with your name and number so that I can let you know when we schedule it.
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Old Oct 16th 2017, 01:23 PM   #4
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You got the 1199R? It's already geared a little lower than the 1299S. I thought it cruised fine at 75 although it would be better at 85-100! The tighter tracks? I've done them and I think they do OK there but it does take more focus and work. These come with the 41T gear I think; probably something with 43T or so may get the job done more in line with what you thinking of.
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Old Oct 17th 2017, 05:56 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by mayhan1980 View Post
5- I played with the settings and EBC feels good at OFF and 1. I have to get little more seat time for that, but having it less intrusive helps with the corner entry stability for me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ac4CQzr8UhyyrdZq1

of course the most important thing is that you feel right riding at whatever setting you use, but here is an FYI:

EBC set to OFF is the Most Intrusive setting

Set at 3, would be the least intrusive

here is a Cut & Paste from the owners manual:

EBC LEVEL:

OFF - Maximum engine brake

1 - Rather important engine brake, but less than that obtained with EBC OFF
It is the default level for all Riding Modes

2 - Very low engine brake, recommended only for track use and for riders requiring a low engine brake when decelerating

3 - Minimum engine brake, recommended only for track use and for riders preferring a very low engine brake when decelerating
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 01:24 AM   #6
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Just passed the 600 miles and going in for the first service tomorrow.

11- The famous clutch bleed problem has already arrived. My 14 base 1199 had this too, I hated it. I guess I need to join the bleeders club every 200 miles or get the brembo rcs 16 with the Oberon. I tried a friends bike with that setup, and it felt like it was easier to modulate.

12- The famous heat is back. Oh baby, I mean oh no babies anymore for me. lol Only solution is the full suit, which I don't mind.

13- After the first 300 miles the engine felt like broke in already, lower rpm feeling became more smoother or I'm getting used to the Ducati feel again. (my other bike is a 17 R6, feels like a Cadillac in compare to this)

14-I did the TechSpec and right side lower small piece already came out of the spot and smudged the glue all over. I put it back in and cleaned it up. I don't know how long it will really last on the bike.

15- I'm thinking about reflashing, it helped with running cooler and smoother throttle response with my R6 as well. Rapidbike looks like a good option.

16- Have an appointment with Dave Moss to adjust the suspension this Saturday. I'm looking forward to that.
17- Clutchless downshifts are perfect on this bike. The BMW S1000RR does let you use it, if it's in a good mood. Just when you need it most, it will decide not to work, helping you running wide. This is not the case with the Ducati. I blip the throttle myself, but it's good to know, in case I'm coming little faster than usual, I can have the bike do it for me.
18- Still thinking the 43 T is the wise choice for gearing.
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Yes, but what about the upshifts in the higher gears at really high speeds? That's were some of us were having some problems (slow jerking shift).
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Originally Posted by SuperDuc29 View Post
Yes, but what about the upshifts in the higher gears at really high speeds? That's were some of us were having some problems (slow jerking shift).
So far uphifts are clicking good for me. The transmission is the best ever in the business. Now the clutch... that's a different story.
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What's with the clutch?
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Old Nov 13th 2017, 12:00 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by SuperDuc29 View Post
What's with the clutch?
Every 200 miles or so it loses the engagement, because of the faulty engineering. You have to bleed it all the time.
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