How many will buy a 1299 twin instead of new V4? - Page 8

Zelnik · Nov 8th 2017, 09:59 AM

Limited edition Ducati,wich one isnt that nowadays Jarel?

I think the base version is the special one..

990Glen · Nov 8th 2017, 10:14 AM

Agree. And with a 1500 bike designation, its really not limited that much at all.
They would probs have not sold an extra 500 on that, as the price is bollox.
Why not make it more of a rarity if it really is so special?
Back to the old days of 200 or 500 of a particular “special”.

topolino · Nov 8th 2017, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by jarelj

No one who buys the Speciale is entering their data into a spreadsheet and calculating the cost-benefit ratios. It's a limited edition Ducati that comes with some cool/special things, looks great, and is a numbered bike, and anyone who is a Ducatisi will know what that bike is when you pull up on it. That's the extent of it, there's nothing else to talk about really.

I'm with you on that. Not contesting the point. Merely indicating that for those that cannot stretch financially to the Speciale, they can get close to what it offers in terms of performance and accessories for more a manageable sum bar perhaps the paintwork and exclusivity, which may well suit them. Are you able to confirm BTW if the full system comes with the bellypan (as per that fitted on the Speciale)

BadBoyBeltran · Nov 8th 2017, 11:05 AM

Just saw the launch photos and that video - the engine sounds ridiculous!!! Best wait a year after launch for me.

Why is the displacement 1100cc?

I'll post links later.

nikko · Nov 8th 2017, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by topolino

I'm with you on that. Not contesting the point. Merely indicating that for those that cannot stretch financially to the Speciale, they can get close to what it offers in terms of performance and accessories for more a manageable sum bar perhaps the paintwork and exclusivity, which may well suit them. Are you able to confirm BTW if the full system comes with the bellypan (as per that fitted on the Speciale)

no you cannot turn a v4s to the same spec as the Speciale.
v4s is 214 hp / 91.5 lb-ft
Speciale is 226 hp same torque
Still not worth 13k more but imagine how much the v4r will cost when that model comes out. Wouldn't surprise me if its very close to 50k

jarelj · Nov 8th 2017, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by nikko

no you cannot turn a v4s to the same spec as the Speciale.
v4s is 214 hp / 91.5 lb-ft
Speciale is 226 hp same torque
Still not worth 13k more but imagine how much the v4r will cost when that model comes out. Wouldn't surprise me if its very close to 50k

The 12HP increase is due to the Akrapovic full race exhaust, same exhaust you can buy for the other V4 models for ~$5,700. A future R model would have to be price-capped at 40K EURO per World Superbike rules.

jarelj · Nov 8th 2017, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by BadBoyBeltran

Just saw the launch photos and that video - the engine sounds ridiculous!!! Best wait a year after launch for me.

Why is the displacement 1100cc?

I'll post links later.

Straight from Domenicali's mouth, the displacement is 1100cc because they liked the balance of torque with the extra 100cc's for a road-going machine, and he said Ducati doesn't agree or follow with some arbitrary limit on what size engines should be on street bikes. He said we can make it an 1100cc and it makes a great motor, so why not?

The R model will have to be under 1000cc and if it follows prior trends will probably have similar power output with slightly less torque.

jarelj · Nov 8th 2017, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by topolino

I'm with you on that. Not contesting the point. Merely indicating that for those that cannot stretch financially to the Speciale, they can get close to what it offers in terms of performance and accessories for more a manageable sum bar perhaps the paintwork and exclusivity, which may well suit them. Are you able to confirm BTW if the full system comes with the bellypan (as per that fitted on the Speciale)

Sorry, I can't answer that yet, we don't have full visibility on what's included with the kit at this point.

topolino · Nov 8th 2017, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by nikko

no you cannot turn a v4s to the same spec as the Speciale.
v4s is 214 hp / 91.5 lb-ft
Speciale is 226 hp same torque
Still not worth 13k more but imagine how much the v4r will cost when that model comes out. Wouldn't surprise me if its very close to 50k

Wrong!! As Jarel has said you can bolt the full Akra system on a base or an S and achieve 226bhp. No difference in power output across all three models in that instance.

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topolino · Nov 8th 2017, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by jarelj

Sorry, I can't answer that yet, we don't have full visibility on what's included with the kit at this point.

Ok thank you anyway. Will you be able to PM me or post up here when you find out more.....Regards.....Topo

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