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Captain Greg Nov 23rd 2017 06:27 AM

Engine oil
 
Was thinking of replacing the engine oil, do any of you guys run Motul 7100 15W50?
My bike on delivery had shell 5W40?

I like motul products and was wounding about 7100 versus 5100.

mark419ny Nov 23rd 2017 06:30 AM

Engine oil
 
Lol really get the cheapest stuff you can. I use Castrol racing 4t full synthetic 10w50 6qt for like 48 bucks shipped from Amazon. Probably cheaper than your motul half blend. If u want to spend more get ams oil. If your still not satisfied and want to spend even more u can get motul 300v Imo the best but not needed. And if you want Ducati type of spending you can get shell advanced

To spend anything more than 10 a qt is totally insane but do what you like yet you want to use a blend smh.

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Captain Greg Nov 23rd 2017 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark419ny (Post 296772)
Lol really get the cheapest stuff you can. I use Castrol racing 4t full synthetic 10w50 6qt for like 48 bucks shipped from Amazon. Probably cheaper than your motul half blend. If u want to spend more get ams oil. If your still not satisfied and want to spend even more u can get motul 300v Imo the best but not needed. And if you want Ducati type of spending you can get shell advanced

To spend anything more than 10 a qt is totally insane but do what you like yet you want to use a blend smh.

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Is 300v better than 7100?
I just believe that good oil is a cheap insurance against wear?

Mick1976 Nov 23rd 2017 06:39 AM

I have been running Motul 300 for the last 10 years always been good to me. If you look around you can get a gallon for about $63 shipped to your door.

cpettit Nov 23rd 2017 07:31 AM

300v.

carlito Nov 23rd 2017 07:40 AM

300v. i found it online for 56 shipped. best stuff i have used.

mark419ny Nov 23rd 2017 09:19 AM

motul 300v imo opinio is the best oil around however if you change it often 1 time a year or more its a waste of money.

300v is the top of the line of the motul oil. 56 is a fantastic price but still not castrol price of 48 shipped for 6 qts.

do what you like this argument has been going on forever. in my opinion motul 300v is the best but its not 4 dollars a qt better than ams oil and sure as hell isn't 8 dollars a qt better than castrol

mark419ny Nov 23rd 2017 09:29 AM

i have so much of the castrol its crazy. the bmw has it as the recommended oil. i buy it sometimes 40 bucks for 6 qts on amazon you can look for the specials sometimes people post them on here.

2 jet skis both use the castrol racing 4t 6 qts for both

bmw hp4 castrol racing 4 t call it 4 qt

07 ninja zx6r almost 4k track miles castrol racing 4t call it 4 its

12 panigale almost 12k miles castrol racing 4t call it 4 qts

just never saw a reason to switch or go more expensive do the math 48 dollars for 6 qts and ill say 70 for 4 qt of motul. with all the oil changes it sure does add up

total in oil changes for math purposes ill say its 16 qts (45 bucks for 6) castrol is 135 rounded and ill have 2 qts left
vs 280 for the motul assuming you can get it for 70 for 4 qts.

so i can do 2 oil changes for each machine for the price of 1 change per machine with the motul

arturatv Nov 23rd 2017 09:51 AM

In race team we run only 300v

Captain Greg Nov 23rd 2017 12:09 PM

So is it 300v 15/50 that I need?

double0 Nov 23rd 2017 12:42 PM

If your winter days consist of 60 70 degrees F, then 15-50 will do.

Captain Greg Nov 24th 2017 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by double0 (Post 296790)
If your winter days consist of 60 70 degrees F, then 15-50 will do.

I managed to get 7100 Motul 5W40 for a good price

Is anyone using this?

tinus675 Nov 24th 2017 12:07 PM

Took my Bike in for 12000km service two weeks ago. Dealer filled up with Motul 7100 15w50. 4 litres at R150 per litre.

Desmophile Nov 24th 2017 05:37 PM

Shell Rotella T6, 5-40, full synthetic, makes my F350 diesel with finicky injectors purr like a kitten. Does not have any friction modifiers so it is OK with wet clutch. Good for temps over 300.

About $20 a gallon at Walmart, less when they have a rebate.

I have yet to see a long term study that any particular oil that meets manufacturer's standards is going to make these motors last 50K vs 75K. But I am willing to look at data if you have any.:D:D

AaronJ Nov 24th 2017 10:24 PM

Rotella T6 has between 50-100 ppm of moly, a friction modifier. It is not recommended for use with a wet clutch. The dino rotella 15-40 triple-T is absent of friction modifiers.

Desmophile Nov 25th 2017 01:20 AM

Rotella T6 and Motul 300V
 
Don't want to argue, and yes you are right there some moly in T6 (not much compared to some oils) but not the other categories of friction modifiers that seem to be problem with wet clutches. Haven't heard of anyone having a clutch problem on a Panigale with this oil. I don't.

I would suggest that a little moly is probably good for the valve train sliding parts.



lots of info out there....and lots of discussion:)

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...Number=1483961



https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...tul_300V_Oil_C

Captain Greg Nov 25th 2017 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinus675 (Post 296834)
Took my Bike in for 12000km service two weeks ago. Dealer filled up with Motul 7100 15w50. 4 litres at R150 per litre.

Wow Tinus, 12000km.....in like 2 years....that's fantastic.
I'm doing my oil as it's about a year since the service but it's only done a 1000km in the last 12 months
I see it was delivered with 5W40 so I decided to stay with this.

Have you had any issues with your bike? I see our warranty expires in 2 weeks

Riki Nov 25th 2017 05:16 AM

Pakelo Krypton mbk.

Desmophile Nov 25th 2017 05:50 AM

found this info a couple of years ago when deciding what oil I would, specifically addressing Rotella T6 in vehicles with wet clutches, the JASO-MA standard.

The Official Word on Rotella and JASO MA

Desmophile Nov 25th 2017 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desmophile (Post 296856)
found this info a couple of years ago when deciding what oil I would, specifically addressing Rotella T6 in vehicles with wet clutches, the JASO-MA standard.

The Official Word on Rotella and JASO MA

This an oil analysis of


Motul 300V 4T Factory Line 10W40 motorcycle oil, virgin oil, sent in by a guy with a Suzuki just to see what was in it.


http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/...ps11c9afc6.png

Full thread:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...2_Sukuki_DL650

tinus675 Nov 25th 2017 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Greg (Post 296853)
Wow Tinus, 12000km.....in like 2 years....that's fantastic.

I'm doing my oil as it's about a year since the service but it's only done a 1000km in the last 12 months

I see it was delivered with 5W40 so I decided to stay with this.



Have you had any issues with your bike? I see our warranty expires in 2 weeks



In year one I had some dash lights going on which rectified itself, think some wiring got wet. Year two the quick shifter packed up and I replaced it with a Translogic quickshifter.
That's it.
O, And one rear tire and one front tire.

Halo2 Nov 25th 2017 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Greg (Post 296853)
I see it was delivered with 5W40 so I decided to stay with this.

Thats running in oil and the list ducati specify to use based on heat lowest is 10w-30.

Captain Greg Nov 26th 2017 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo2 (Post 296874)
Thats running in oil and the list ducati specify to use based on heat lowest is 10w-30.

Interesting comment?
We had a workshop in CT before the dealer opened shop, the man who has stripped more Pani's and more Ducati engines than the dealer ..... he is also the one with performance tuning and race bike engine development ...he says 5w/40.

Yes the CT dealer managed to get two big drums of motul 15w/50 at a good price....but I went shopping and I must confess the price was simply not part of my importance list, I was looking for the best protection.

Are you suggesting that this is the incorrect oil?

Cosmik de Bris Nov 26th 2017 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlito (Post 296778)
300v. i found it online for 56 shipped. best stuff i have used.

Best in what way?

Cheers

Halo2 Nov 26th 2017 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Greg (Post 296893)
Are you suggesting that this is the incorrect oil?

Read the manual/workshop manual

Captain Greg Nov 27th 2017 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo2 (Post 296922)
Read the manual/workshop manual

Fuk I have tried....what page do they list the oils..?

DStyleNZL Nov 27th 2017 10:32 AM

300v,

Australia is like $120AUD for 4l. And no local supplier so online order only for me...
I only use it cause its the only oil that seems to stand up to the high heat where i live. also do track work so change oil more than a normal street only bike.

crazyinp Nov 27th 2017 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Greg (Post 296932)
Fuk I have tried....what page do they list the oils..?



Wonder how hard you looked. This is from 2015 1299, looks the same for mine 1199R

It come from the factory with 15w50. You can adjust the oil based on the climate you use in.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e987bedd76.jpg

Captain Greg Nov 27th 2017 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyinp (Post 296944)
Wonder how hard you looked. This is from 2015 1299, looks the same for mine 1199R

It come from the factory with 15w50. You can adjust the oil based on the climate you use in.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e987bedd76.jpg

Thank you for this!
Much appreciated

crazyinp Nov 27th 2017 10:33 PM

Anyone have tried Motorex RACING PRO 4T 15W50 -> https://www.motorexusa.com/collectio...g-pro-4t-15w50
apparently was designed for Ducati and Triumph , and when we thought Motul was most expensive :)

DStyleNZL Nov 28th 2017 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyinp (Post 296971)
Anyone have tried Motorex RACING PRO 4T 15W50 -> https://www.motorexusa.com/collectio...g-pro-4t-15w50
apparently was designed for Ducati and Triumph , and when we thought Motul was most expensive :)

I used the xxW40 motorex once. swapped it after about 2 weeks. While riding in slow traffic the engine got noticeably more noiser like oild thining to much.
swapped back to Motul (even at same grade, but use 15W50 now) and never repeated the same level of noise as with Motorex.
But I live in the tropics so always very hot (30degC+ all year round)


I've still been meaning to try Total racing 15W50 and see what thats like as I use Total in my 4 wheel racing car (with a mix of Castrol/Redline gear oils)

Captain Greg Nov 28th 2017 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DStyleNZL (Post 296994)
I used the xxW40 motorex once. swapped it after about 2 weeks. While riding in slow traffic the engine got noticeably more noiser like oild thining to much.
swapped back to Motul (even at same grade, but use 15W50 now) and never repeated the same level of noise as with Motorex.
But I live in the tropics so always very hot (30degC+ all year round)


I've still been meaning to try Total racing 15W50 and see what thats like as I use Total in my 4 wheel racing car (with a mix of Castrol/Redline gear oils)

Thanks for the comment!
I use motorex in my KTM because the dealer has brain washed us it's do or die!

Myself a motul supporter I will change that too when the KTM is out of warranty

In the old days fuk oil was oil chsngevit every 5000 and forget about it!

I think there's much marketing in today's world that scares us consumers

crazyinp Nov 28th 2017 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Greg (Post 296999)
Thanks for the comment!

I use motorex in my KTM because the dealer has brain washed us it's do or die!



Myself a motul supporter I will change that too when the KTM is out of warranty



In the old days fuk oil was oil chsngevit every 5000 and forget about it!



I think there's much marketing in today's world that scares us consumers



Same, I am using 10w50 power 4T from motorex on my KTM, however this one is completely different formula. Wonder if someone tried it.

DStyleNZL Nov 28th 2017 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Greg (Post 296999)


.....In the old days fuk oil was oil chsngevit every 5000 and forget about it!

Im only young, but didnt the old 60's/70's Ducati required "special" oil to be used. If you didnt use it the engine would pretty much wear out within a few 1000kms....

...or this just another Ducati urban legend?

Dereyter Dec 26th 2018 11:31 PM

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007 Dec 28th 2018 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Greg (Post 296999)
Thanks for the comment!
I use motorex in my KTM because the dealer has brain washed us it's do or die!

Myself a motul supporter I will change that too when the KTM is out of warranty

In the old days fuk oil was oil chsngevit every 5000 and forget about it!

I think there's much marketing in today's world that scares us consumers

That and engines are far more advanced an running on a far more aggressive tune/setup from factory more than ever. Sky high compressions etc

Cinders Dec 29th 2018 07:04 AM

I do the oil & filter every 6,000klm Shell Advanced as thats what sits good with me I just feel these extra long intervals like 12,000klm before an oil/filter change are just too long.
Maybe it seems a bit stupid to some here and I am sure Ducati destroyed a plethora of engines coming up with those service intervals, thats fine for them they have the ball.
Me I like to ensure that my Duc's engines run well & will outlast me.......

cmh210 Dec 29th 2018 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinders (Post 326777)
I do the oil & filter every 6,000klm Shell Advanced as thats what sits good with me I just feel these extra long intervals like 12,000klm before an oil/filter change are just too long.
Maybe it seems a bit stupid to some here and I am sure Ducati destroyed a plethora of engines coming up with those service intervals, thats fine for them they have the ball.
Me I like to ensure that my Duc's engines run well & will outlast me.......

Its the mileage or 12 months, whichever comes first. Its printed in the back of the owner's manuals.

Cinders Dec 30th 2018 03:04 AM

I know I've read the manuals and thats fine for the intervals in there this is a personal thing, I bet the trackers here do not do 12,000klm's on their engine oil. Cheers :)

scotman623 Dec 30th 2018 08:44 AM

I change my oil every Race weekend, Motul 300V only.. Any top synthetic oil is great for street riding...


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