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Old Jan 10th 2018, 05:07 AM   #11
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what about the gas mileage ?
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Old Jan 10th 2018, 08:12 AM   #12
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According to these charts, the v4 will be easier to ride on the streets and faster on the track.

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Old Jan 10th 2018, 08:59 AM   #13
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so the graphs have advertised output so i presume these are just numbers pulled from a website and not actual dyno numbers on the same dyno run etc.

Sorry it may have been in the video but it was too shit to watch.
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Old Jan 12th 2018, 01:23 PM   #14
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Going by the curve, definitely a much broader power curve up top. Should be easier to race.
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Old Jan 12th 2018, 11:48 PM   #15
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Take the video with a pinch of salt. After all, it is still here say. Ducati are clearly frauds when it comes to putting out numbers so at least his comparison is solely using their numbers and not from all over the place.

But here's what I take from it:

1) Remember recently Ducati downgraded their own numbers so remember the 1299 isn't a 205 bhp bike anymore.

2) He does make some very good points though. Their numbers are different and quoted in many different units. They have done that clearly on purpose, they're trying to baffle you with bull sh*t. It stinks. I firmly believe you will get nowhere near 214 or 226 bhp.

3) If you already have a 1299/R, as mentioned, I don't think this bike for me is enough to make me want to change at least.

4) By changing the delivery you have now brought this bang in the firing line of the litre bikes. It is now the same as the competition and Ducati is cheating with an extra 100 cc to be able to keep up. The 2018 BMW is stacking up to be an amazing machine......... just saying.

5) By moving to the V4 you have also taken away what the Ducati was, it was unique in it's performance as well as looks and sound. What you've done is now taken away some of the appeal. Where you could forgive it in some areas because it offered something you could not get on any other machine, well now you can, you have choices.

I'm not saying this bike isn't amazing, but it is now going to have a much harder time in keeping up with the competition, the machines will be so much closer now, like on shootouts etc. it will be much harder to shine.
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Old Jan 13th 2018, 03:43 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by HiSpeed48 View Post
Watched the video (painful) and didn't see a single dyno run. Taking graphs/data from Ducati'website isn't "dyno results" imo. I'll wait to see actual side-by-side dyno tests of actual bikes.
I agree. Unless I'm missing something, these are meaningless comparisons. They seem to be comparing "advertised crankshaft" horsepower.
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Old Jan 13th 2018, 02:38 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Mutt1979 View Post
T4) By changing the delivery you have now brought this bang in the firing line of the litre bikes. It is now the same as the competition and Ducati is cheating with an extra 100 cc to be able to keep up. The 2018 BMW is stacking up to be an amazing machine......... just saying.
Cheating? Where is the rulebook for the street again?

If you want "competition" the R will be around next year.
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Old Jan 13th 2018, 10:49 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by BTrain5489 View Post
Cheating? Where is the rulebook for the street again?

If you want "competition" the R will be around next year.
There isn't one, but you get what I mean. There's always been the litre bike class and Ducati have stuck in an 1100. If it was a 1000 they wouldn't be able to get much more power than the 1299 while still keeping it cost effective.

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Old Jan 14th 2018, 01:35 AM   #19
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There isn't one, but you get what I mean. There's always been the litre bike class and Ducati have stuck in an 1100. If it was a 1000 they wouldn't be able to get much more power than the 1299 while still keeping it cost effective.
Well, if you're saying the V4 at 1100cc is cheating for its class, then technically the 1299 also is, right? Nothing new for Ducati. And the 1000cc "non-cheating" R version has been long announced anyway, as mentioned above.
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Old Jan 14th 2018, 04:30 AM   #20
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Well, if you're saying the V4 at 1100cc is cheating for its class, then technically the 1299 also is, right? Nothing new for Ducati. And the 1000cc "non-cheating" R version has been long announced anyway, as mentioned above.
Again, I get what you mean (1199cc twin). I suppose in my mind I'm just thinking the twin was allowed the extra cc, Ducati have made the move to 4 cylinders but don't want to give up that advantage. It's not cheating per say, but if the next gen of jap bikes/BMW/Aprillia etc get 210-215 bhp out of 1000cc then by comparison the Ducati would appear to be the lesser machine no? They've not achieved anything special, it's something any manufacturer could do by increasing the engine displacement.
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