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Old Jan 21st 2018, 11:08 PM   #1
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V4 water leaks as well!!!

Ok this is your friendly plumber ...for those of you who have been following my threads on the water leak I suffer with my 1299?

The factory is already covering the issue with the new V4 seems water leaks from the pump seal are just normal.

Very disappointing I must add......attention to Jpanigale read the tech release I add before you guys jump down my throat!

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Old Jan 22nd 2018, 12:16 AM   #2
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so due to this unrecovered loss system, do they now advise a visual check routine to control the rate of fluid loss?

on the technical aspects of this 'solution' I don't think its a great mechanism. as what's the difference between normal weeping and a leak? and is this defined in the user handbook...
most cooling systems run on glycol based mixture which is very slippery if you get it on your tire.
and how they could defend this statement in the event of an accident after coolant is found to have trace marks on the motor/ frame etc.
might be difficult to fight liability on this front..
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Old Jan 22nd 2018, 01:24 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Nathanhu View Post
so due to this unrecovered loss system, do they now advise a visual check routine to control the rate of fluid loss?

on the technical aspects of this 'solution' I don't think its a great mechanism. as what's the difference between normal weeping and a leak? and is this defined in the user handbook...
most cooling systems run on glycol based mixture which is very slippery if you get it on your tire.
and how they could defend this statement in the event of an accident after coolant is found to have trace marks on the motor/ frame etc.
might be difficult to fight liability on this front..
This has been my bug bear with my 1299< but I have had my ass kicked raw from the Ducati loyalists on this forum with me trying to get to the bottom of the leak, weep, sweat, water fuking drip issue!

I have owned upwards of 30 bikes in my miserable life and have never had to concern myself with a "accepted water leak"

After reading this and after the troubles I have had with my 1299 Im unsure I will become a V4 owner
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Old Jan 22nd 2018, 02:02 AM   #4
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Old Jan 22nd 2018, 02:41 AM   #5
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yep it seems like a poor excuse to me,

if this was any of the motors I have worked on over the last 25 years I would be condemning the water pump seal as the hole is has a tell tail function to let you know the bearings are probably next...
unless we now require water pump seals to be lubricated, via the coolant.....

I spoke to my dealer about this, and how we laughed when I told him I would be returning the bike if mine did this...
my answer was, you wouldn't expect it on a vw polo, I don't expect it on a 20k plus bike..

lets see how it develops as if I had a crash, and there was fluid on the engine, I would be pushing for repair/ replacement if I could associate a lack of traction to the incident..
fingers crossed that wont be the case...
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Man I feel poorly...
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I had this with a KTM RC8, where the pump was rebuilt 3 times in as many months.
I got rid of it. I believe that a new seal part was employed by KTM later in production.

I'm with Nathanhu on this. I'm an ex chief engineer from ships and have worked of hundreds
of pumps of various design over the years. The hole is a tell tale to keep you appraised of the state of your seal pack.
Anything more than the occasional couple of drops on start up isn't acceptable.
If it is weeping regularly something is wrong, and it will get worse over time before leading to a more significant failure.
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I'm not buying any more first year production bikes from ANY manufacturer. Be patient and let the bugs get worked out. Hard to do with all the hype, but beats getting 10 recall notices.
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Originally Posted by 990Glen View Post
I had this with a KTM RC8, where the pump was rebuilt 3 times in as many months.
I got rid of it. I believe that a new seal part was employed by KTM later in production.

I'm with Nathanhu on this. I'm an ex chief engineer from ships and have worked of hundreds
of pumps of various design over the years. The hole is a tell tale to keep you appraised of the state of your seal pack.
Anything more than the occasional couple of drops on start up isn't acceptable.
If it is weeping regularly something is wrong, and it will get worse over time before leading to a more significant failure.
If you're familiar with ships and shaft seals, Are you familiar with leakage control systems? This is basically the same thing, except it bleeds to environment instead of tank/bilge. And even double seals on output shafts weep all the time...
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Originally Posted by TurboLag View Post
If you're familiar with ships and shaft seals, Are you familiar with leakage control systems? This is basically the same thing, except it bleeds to environment instead of tank/bilge. And even double seals on output shafts weep all the time...
I'm familiar with many things (ok so I'm just a dumb pilot) but I hold a BSc in electrical engineering, so it gives me a basic understanding of stuff 💡
If a seal is/ was made to leak then the system would cater for fluid replacement at certain intervals......now boys have any of you done a coolant check top up on a Panigale?..
It's fukin unfriendly and I doubt it was designed to be checked on a regular basis.

So I'm fukin unhappy about my 1299 leaking I doubt I will invest almost R7000.00 on theV4 now reading about the leak.
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