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Old May 6th 2018, 12:09 PM   #1
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I Ride: 2016 Ducati Panigale 1299 S
Finally Rode The V4

I finally slung a leg over the V4 this weekend and I know there have been many comparisons but opinions are like, well you know how the saying goes.

From what I can tell the 1299 Panigale has three main flaws:

1) Heat
2) Vibration
3) Seat


1) The problem with the heat on the 1299 Panigale is that seriously hot air blows on the back of my thighs even while at highway speed. That hot ass air needs to be re-routed some how somewhere. At some point Iím going to figure it out. For now I just deal with it.

The V4
there is no more heat blowing on your thighs at speed. Some heat did blow on my ankles but Iím talking the V4 is 80 to 90 percent better than the 1299. It was a welcome change.

2) Vibration - if you have read any of my previous post you know I hate it. Have you ever put your hand on the rear cowl while riding. OMG. The vibs through the bars are not high frequency vibs like you find on a inline 4, the 1299 is much slower but more pronounced. Iím starting to get used to it, but Iíve changed the grips, added heavy barends and a truss bar and things are much much better for me. If the 1299 vibration does not bother you the good for you or get a 959.

The V4
is significantly smoother. Iím talking 70 to 80% smoother than my 1299. I suspect I could ride the V4 without modification, itís that much smoother. You still feel the engine, itís just better.

3) The stock seat on the 1299 is atrocious. It might be suitable for the track, but any kind is street riding will have your ass crying for mercy. Aside from being brick hard itís slippery. On the gas or brakes and you will move around. There is another post about the difference between the race seat and comfort seat. Whoever wrote that said the comfort seat was as slippery as the stock seat and a race seat, which you will not side was better. I can attest that on my new comfort seat, it is softer and I do not slide. No more sore ass after an hours worth of riding.

The V4,
the seat is wider and more comfortable. You do not slide like the stock 1299 seat. It was a welcome change. Also, the seating position on the V4 is much more in than on top of the bike. Itís wider and easier to grip the tank with your legs. I grip the tank with my knees and on the V4 you grip with more with your thighs. The V4ís pegs are much higher, and this combination of knees up, wider and gripping with more of my thighs was easier than my 1299. Iíve been considering some rearsets and I thought Iíd be lowering the pegs a touch but I think Iíd like them to be higher. I certainly would like the opportunity for some adjustment. Perhaps BMW will make adjustable rearsets and bars standard and others will follow. Lol

Other noticeable differences.

The quick shifter
The 1299 can be a bit clunky especially going down. The V4 was very smooth. The bike didnít clunk or jerk.


Now the things the V4 do not do as well as the 1299.

I can only think of one!

My 1299 changes directions very easily. Itís amazing how little effort is needed. The V4 was a little slower to lean. Counter rotating crank or not, itís just slower.

If you can think of others things the 1299 does better than he V4 Iíd like to hear them. After my ride I confirmed I will be back on a V4 for my next bike. Will it be a Ducati or back to Aprilia, who knows. Living in Detroit means a lot of time crushing before you get to good back roads, so I would like cruise control, heated grips, AND, tire temperature gauge. I will not buy another BMW to get CC and heated grips, so it would be nice if Ducati or Aprilia offers all three or at least 2 of 3. Since these are race bikes I doubt they will do it, but I can wish. Aprilia has CC, but I would not say itís in the lead.

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Agreed the V4 felt like it turned in slower than the previous bike but it did gain stability .
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Originally Posted by AmpForE View Post
I finally slung a leg over the V4 this weekend and I know there have been many comparisons but opinions are like, well you know how the saying goes.

From what I can tell the 1299 Panigale has three main flaws:

1) Heat
2) Vibration
3) Seat

1) The problem with the heat on the 1299 Panigale is that seriously hot air blows on the back of my thighs even while at highway speed. That hot ass air needs to be re-routed some how so where. At some point Iím going to figure it out. For now I just deal with it.

The V4
there is no more heat blowing on your thighs at speed. Some heat did blow on my ankles but Iím talking the V4 is 80 to 90 percent better than the 1299. It was a welcome change.

2) Vibration - if you have read any of my previous post you know I hate it. Have you ever put your hand on the rear cowl while riding. OMG. The vibs through the bars are not high frequency vibs like you find on a inline 4, the 1299 is much slower but more pronounced. Iím starting to get used to it, but Iíve changed the grips, added heavy barends and a truss bar and things are much much better for me. If vibration does not bother you the good for you.

The V4
is significantly smoother. Iím talking 70 to 80% smoother than my 1299. I suspect I could ride the V4 without modification, itís that much smoother. You still feel the engine, itís just better.

3) The stock seat on the 1299 is atrocious. It might be suitable for the track, but any kind is street riding will have your ass crying for mercy. Aside from being brick hard itís slippery. On the gas or brakes and you will move around. There is another post about the difference between the race seat and comfort seat. Whoever wrote that said the comfort seat was as slippery as the stock seat and a race seat, which you will not side was better. I can attest that on my new comfort seat, it is softer and I do not slide. No more sore ass after an hours worth of riding.

The V4,
the seat is wider and more comfortable. You do not slide like the stock 1299 seat. It was a welcome change. Also, the seating position on the V4 is much more in than on top of the bike. Itís wider and easier to grip the tank with your legs. I grip the tank with my knees and on the V4 you grip with more with your thighs. The V4ís pegs are much higher, and this combination of knees up, wider and gripping with more of my thighs was easier than my 1299. Iíve been considering some rearsets and I thought Iíd be lowering the pegs a touch but I think Iíd like them to be higher. I certainly would like the opportunity for some adjustment. Perhaps BMW will make adjustable rearsets and bars standard and others will follow. Lol

Now the things the V4 do not do as well as the 1299.

I can only think of one!

My 1299 changes directions very easily. Itís amazing how little effort is needed. The V4 was a little slower to lean. Counter rotating crank or not, itís just slower.

If you can think of others things the 1299 does better than he V4 Iíd like to hear them. After my ride I confirmed I will be back on a V4 for my next bike. Will it be a Ducati or back to Aprilia, who knows. Living in Detroit means a lot of time crushing before you get to good back roads, so I would like cruise control, heated grips, AND, tire temperature gauge. I will not buy another BMW to get CC and heated grips, so it would be nice if Ducati or Aprilia offers all three or at least 2 of 3. Since these are race bikes I doubt they will do it, but I can wish. Aprilia has CC, but I would not say itís in the lead.
AmpForE - How tall or short are you? asking because I felt more 'in' the bike on my 1299S than the V4(on top). I'm 5'8'' with long arms and legs. I ordered my V4(waiting on delivery) and asked them to install some ProGrips for more comfort.
I live in STL, MO now. Originally from Detroit (West Side - Evergreen & GrandRiver) so I know how it is riding on those Detroit Roads. I'll be back in town in August to see my mom, but not bringing my Pani.
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You can raise or lower the fork tubes in the triple clamp if you want to alter your turn in, and/or adjust rear ride height. Typically on regular forks, adjusting the preload sort of does the same thing. On the S models with electronic suspension I’m not sure fork preload can be adjusted. I would like to get my 1299s to turn in a bit quicker like the RC8Rs I had.
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Old May 6th 2018, 06:33 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by apeluv View Post
AmpForE - How tall or short are you? asking because I felt more 'in' the bike on my 1299S than the V4(on top). I'm 5'8'' with long arms and legs. I ordered my V4(waiting on delivery) and asked them to install some ProGrips for more comfort.
I live in STL, MO now. Originally from Detroit (West Side - Evergreen & GrandRiver) so I know how it is riding on those Detroit Roads. I'll be back in town in August to see my mom, but not bringing my Pani.

We are same height and build. The grips should help. If I were buying a V4 I would install motivation heavy barends to kill that last bit of vibration. Iím partial to Driven Grippy grips but just about anything is an upgrade. Stock grips are quite thin.

I live downtown, for now, so itís an hour an hour to the good roads, and they are rough roads. Hit me up when in town.

Originally Posted by DCPanni View Post
You can raise or lower the fork tubes in the triple clamp if you want to alter your turn in, and/or adjust rear ride height. Typically on regular forks, adjusting the preload sort of does the same thing. On the S models with electronic suspension Iím not sure fork preload can be adjusted. I would like to get my 1299s to turn in a bit quicker like the RC8Rs I had.
Fork preload can be adjusted, you just have to unplug the fork leads. I seriously need mine done. Itís probably not that bad though, but it needs to be done, front and rear.

I think the 1299S is probably a bit twitchy at lean. I havenít had mine at the track yet so not been at a full lean yet. Perhaps this year but I am buying a house and I just cancelled my trip to the dragon while on my way to Mytle Beach, because Iím buying a house. So hopefully I will get to the track next year.
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Old May 6th 2018, 10:30 PM   #6
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The electronics on the V4 are in another level, also de power delivery on the V4 is a lot smother and consistent.



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Agreed the V4 felt like it turned in slower than the previous bike but it did gain stability .

W
Have you been able to compare your lap times to your old R race bikes or does it feel faster ?

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Originally Posted by bradp51 View Post
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Have you been able to compare your lap times to your old R race bikes or does it feel faster ?

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Not yet . Still waiting for a rear shock and race glass then can start having a go at it but for a out the box bike itís really good .
I am having exhaust done this week and will head to Mac Park this weekend which I know well so will be able to get a better comparison .
One thing for sure itís fast .
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Old May 7th 2018, 01:09 AM   #9
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The electronics on the V4 are in another level, also de power delivery on the V4 is a lot smother and consistent.



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Forgot about that one more thing. The Quick Shifter up and down were noticeably smoother, especially down.

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Old May 14th 2018, 01:30 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by AmpForE View Post
I will not buy another BMW to get CC and heated grips, so it would be nice if Ducati or Aprilia offers all three or at least 2 of 3.
There is a new S1000RR coming next year, I bet you will be tempted

I never noticed significant vibration on my 1299 and the quick shifter is ultra slick - then again I change the oil fanatically and only use Castrol Power One 10W-50

All the talk about "smooth this or that" still doesn't move me, the 1299 has stump pulling torque and that's why I ride it, I can't see going back to the a screaming four on the street, even though I loved the old S1000RR and ZX-10R at that time.

On track I have no doubt the V-4 is better and faster, but the 1299 is a peerless streetbike. The heat doesn't bother me as long as I'm moving. Keep the radiator FULL, that helps a little
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