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Old Jul 29th 2018, 03:25 PM   #1
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1299s Won't Turn Over (after lowside)

See previous thread in Racing here.

tl;dr: I had a decent speed lowside that resulted in the right clipon, brake master, and throttle breaking off. after crash, bike's engine was off, but the fans/electronics were still running.

The clutch cover took some serious scraping, the magnesium fairing upper cracked, and most of the plastics on the right are toast.

BUT... I have the replacement parts in place now (sans plastics). All the electronics claim to be happy (no errors on the screen, etc), but when I push the starter, nothing happens. Not even a click.

- Replaced throttle & wiring
- Replaced starter & wiring
- Replaced right clip-on
- Replaced brake master & wiring
- Checked all fuses (on the left side)
- Tried different gears, neutral, and with clutch engaged

What am I not doing?

One thing I noticed when pushing it around the garage today: the bike rolls as expected in neutral, but it's much harder to push when in gear with the clutch engaged. I think that's a clue... maybe I damaged something internally?

Any help would be appreciated.
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Old Jul 30th 2018, 05:09 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by RubberSideDown View Post
See previous thread in Racing here.

tl;dr: I had a decent speed lowside that resulted in the right clipon, brake master, and throttle breaking off. after crash, bike's engine was off, but the fans/electronics were still running.

The clutch cover took some serious scraping, the magnesium fairing upper cracked, and most of the plastics on the right are toast.

BUT... I have the replacement parts in place now (sans plastics). All the electronics claim to be happy (no errors on the screen, etc), but when I push the starter, nothing happens. Not even a click.

- Replaced throttle & wiring
- Replaced starter & wiring
- Replaced right clip-on
- Replaced brake master & wiring
- Checked all fuses (on the left side)
- Tried different gears, neutral, and with clutch engaged

What am I not doing?

One thing I noticed when pushing it around the garage today: the bike rolls as expected in neutral, but it's much harder to push when in gear with the clutch engaged. I think that's a clue... maybe I damaged something internally?

Any help would be appreciated.
Couple of suggestions. This after experience with lowsiding myself on the brake side.

1. Make sure that your bike is recognizing neutral.
2.Make sure your clutch switch is working.
3.Make sure your on off switch is working properly. Sometime in the housing
the stop button is jammed or the connection for on off is not connecting within the housing.
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Old Jul 30th 2018, 05:22 AM   #3
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I think every bike is harder to push in gear with the clutch engaged as opposed to pushing it in neutral .

I'm guessing you did not replace the starter , but the switch on the right handle bar that has a start button on it .

I'm not a mechanic but could it be a ecu or tps issue? ecu is on the right side. also there are some complicated electronics involving the immobilizer, the traction control , the slide control , the abs , etc etc. just adding something to think about
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Old Jul 30th 2018, 02:48 PM   #4
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Thanks for the responses.

@Blade Runner, the dash recognizes neutral, and I've tried starting it while in neutral, so I don't think it's the clutch switch (but I'll triple check). I replaced the on/off switch, but will confirm that it's not defective.

@Macattack, I didn't replace the actual starter. Unless I've lost it, it's on the left side, so I'm running on a (poor) assumption that it wasn't damaged in the drop. I intend on putting a voltmeter to it, to ensure it's getting electricity. My main concern is all the electronic goodies like you mentioned that may have taken some impact.

Any suggestions are appreciated. I'll report back once I make time to test these things. Hopefully we'll find it & it will be useful info for someone in the future.
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Old Jul 30th 2018, 04:01 PM   #5
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Do you have the melcodiag tool? Might b able to see if there is any DTC codes just FYI
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Old Jul 31st 2018, 04:08 PM   #6
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I don't, but I will look into that now. Thanks!
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Old Aug 30th 2018, 11:35 AM   #7
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Thanks for everyone's help (in other threads too).

Bike cranks now, but still won't start. Here's where I'm at:

Removed the following:
- All Plastics
- Exhaust Silencer
- Complete Radiator System
- Tank

Things I've verified:
- Nothing blocking the intake (air)
- Both spark plugs spark (electricity)
- Fuel pump sounds like it's working when you turn the key (fuel)

What else should I be checking? When cranking, there is a very throaty noise that I don't recall hearing in the past.

Thanks in advance
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Sounds like it’s a fuel issue. I would take the fuel hose off where it feeds the injectors, crank it over and see if indeed any fuel comes out. Or take it to Duck Pond over in Winchester. They sell and race Ducati’s so they have insight.
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Old Aug 30th 2018, 05:57 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by DCPanni View Post
Sounds like itís a fuel issue. I would take the fuel hose off where it feeds the injectors, crank it over and see if indeed any fuel comes out. Or take it to Duck Pond over in Winchester. They sell and race Ducatiís so they have insight.
Thank you; I'll try that tomorrow and most likely give Duck Pond a call if that's not it.

I was thinking maybe it could be a timing issue, but getting the whole motor apart to check timing seems... extreme?
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Old Aug 30th 2018, 06:01 PM   #10
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If you have fuel and spark, then perhaps the crank position sensor. Or the tip over sensor is dislodged or not working. I would call Duck Pond. They have been racing and crashing Ducatis many years. You may need to see if any codes are stored or any error messages are in the cpu.
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