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Old Nov 30th 2017, 12:22 PM   #21
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Ducati is aware of the V4's design missteps and they want your opinions!

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That's not why Ducati put the survey out there. But if it gets you to play, I don't think they really care why you think you're doing it......


You're a dealer, besides giving our info to our local dealer, why would they put out the survey?

It's not uncommon for manufacturers to send out secondary surveys when new products hit the market. It gives their marketing departments something to work with when it's time to make changes. Online surveys are also cheap. 20 years ago this is a $100,000 mail campaign with 4% return rates.

Ashes, do you work for Ducati?

Personally I'm have no opinion of why they put it out there, the fact that they are open to consumer feedback is good either way.
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Old Nov 30th 2017, 02:04 PM   #22
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What V4?
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Old Nov 30th 2017, 02:58 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by AmpForE View Post
You're a dealer, besides giving our info to our local dealer, why would they put out the survey?

It's not uncommon for manufacturers to send out secondary surveys when new products hit the market. It gives their marketing departments something to work with when it's time to make changes. Online surveys are also cheap. 20 years ago this is a $100,000 mail campaign with 4% return rates.

Ashes, do you work for Ducati?

Personally I'm have no opinion of why they put it out there, the fact that they are open to consumer feedback is good either way.
For sure, I'm not saying it's bad in any way, just that the primary reason they have the surveys on the web site for new bikes is to collect interested customer information, not because they think they did something wrong and want guidance on how to do it right as the OP implied. The info they get is definitely also used in the marketing and product departments as feedback, so it's great to provide it if you're willing. I always fill the surveys out myself as a customer when I get them, even though I'm also a dealer.
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Old Nov 30th 2017, 04:12 PM   #24
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Ducati is aware of the V4's design missteps and they want your opinions!

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What V4?

The one you will buy when it comes out and you see all the press and realize it's the best and fastest bike out there on the market.

You all need to remember that one of the UGLIEST bikes ever built is now one the best sellers. When it was introduced it stole sales from everyone. Even the Gixer squids decided to buy one. It's still very, very ugly, it's the dyno horsepower king but could not turn worth a shit, and it's the main reason every other manufacturer got off their asses and began to build better motorcycles. It's none only, the bike with a face only a mother could love, the BMWS1000RR.

If this V4 delivers the power and all with top shelf electronics, many people will not care if it's, not as pretty as the 1299.

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Old Nov 30th 2017, 06:21 PM   #25
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Well said. There is always the numbers people. So new V4 has 214hp but weighs more correct. I rather have less weight and 205hp which is more than enough. How many people are using 214hp or 226hp. Kinda like the new ZR1 vette with 755hp. Not really necessary, just bragging rights. It's all marketing.
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Old Nov 30th 2017, 07:11 PM   #26
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There are some things I like, some i don't. I'll say i like more on the 1299 than the v4 sure, but the bike has really grown on me. If the tank of the v4 had the same sleek lines of the 1299 I'd love almost everything about it. Led lights coming standard and that new dash is something to keep in mind. Maybe this was a test to see if they could put out something a little more edgy, with the negative responses maybe they'll think twice about doing the same thing for the next bike, i doubt it, but maybe.

To each their own though. I've shown many people the bike, those who don't know ducati love it, those who do either love it or absolutely hate it. You can't get mad at somebody for having an opinion.
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Old Nov 30th 2017, 07:59 PM   #27
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Saw the bike today and while I'm happy to say that it does look a little better in person, I'm still not smitten with it and I'll be keeping my 1299. The fairing hitting the tank is unnecessary and the tail section is oddly long. Also I don't like how significant the exhaust is. What got me most is that sitting on the bike, you still don't have anything to help hook your knee a bit in turns. There were too many people surrounding the bike tonight, but I'll go back tomorrow or over the weekend to get some more photos. But anyone in the area should check out Manhattan Ducati. They will have an S and a Speciale on the floor through Sunday.



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Originally Posted by ajctraveler View Post
Saw the bike today and while I'm happy to say that it does look a little better in person, I'm still not smitten with it and I'll be keeping my 1299. The fairing hitting the tank is unnecessary and the tail section is oddly long. Also I don't like how significant the exhaust is. What got me most is that sitting on the bike, you still don't have anything to help hook your knee a bit in turns. There were too many people surrounding the bike tonight, but I'll go back tomorrow or over the weekend to get some more photos. But anyone in the area should check out Manhattan Ducati. They will have an S and a Speciale on the floor through Sunday.



Does the tank look as bulbous in real life as in pics ? It looks really big and round in the pics above.
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Originally Posted by ajctraveler View Post
Saw the bike today and while I'm happy to say that it does look a little better in person, I'm still not smitten with it and I'll be keeping my 1299. The fairing hitting the tank is unnecessary and the tail section is oddly long. Also I don't like how significant the exhaust is. What got me most is that sitting on the bike, you still don't have anything to help hook your knee a bit in turns. There were too many people surrounding the bike tonight, but I'll go back tomorrow or over the weekend to get some more photos. But anyone in the area should check out Manhattan Ducati. They will have an S and a Speciale on the floor through Sunday.





I go to the motorcycle show every year and my guess is that will be the first time I see it. My guess is Manhattan Ducati has one on display because the show is in NYC this weekend. I'll be at the Cleveland show in January.
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This is the first chance I've had today to follow up on everyones responses, but fwiw, thank you all for your input and opinions.

I realize looks are subjective and a lot of Ducatisti might take offense when others speak negatively about something they're passionate about. Or maybe they're simply sick of hearing people bitch. I think this is where my outlook differs, because I genuinely believe our opinions are taken into account during the product development stage. So regardless of the stance you hold on the new V4, I feel it important to convey those thoughts.

Unfortunately, not everyone shares that belief, or they are so focused on receiving compensation for their efforts that they refuse opportunities like these based on principle. My thoughts align with jjsC6, in that I am passionate enough about the brand to gladly give my thoughts, and for free. Hoping that as a given product line evolves, it follows a development path I approve of. My idea's and opinions may differ from the next guy, but I'd like to think the collective input of Ducatisti will be evaluated and considered in the development of future models.

AmpForE - Sadly I do not work for Ducati, I wish I did! Im just an AVID fan of the Panigale, that was disappointed by certain design choices on the V4. Where other's might accept things for what they are, and dismiss my complaints with "Don't buy it then," I think consumer opinion carries more weight than some might think. Case in point were the 1199 heat shields and head covers that were retrofitted after initial release. Forum comments were oddly similar with, "Don't buy it then," "Buy a Vespa instead," "Its a 200hp machine, what do you expect?" The reality is something had to be done, and Ducati tried to rectify the situation. Hopefully they choose to make changes, aesthetic or not.

ajctraveler - Thank you for the follow up on those pics, I think we're all itching for as much literature and eye candy as we can get.
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