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Old Nov 29th 2017, 09:53 PM   #1
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Ducati is aware of the V4's design missteps and they want your opinions!

I think it's safe to say NO ONE liked what they saw of the Panigale V4 through the volleys of previously leaked photos. Interestingly enough, as the bike was publicly released, opinions seemed to change, or become accepting of the bikes asthetic shortcomings. Please, for my sake, and the future of Ducati superbikes, do not simply accept things for what they are. Vocalize your opinions, otherwise things may never change for the better, whatever "better" might be.

I am not here to sway anyone's stance on the new bike, but rather inform you that Ducati is clearly aware of the hugely differing views on their newest superbike. Because of this, they have a survey on their home page that can be taken, where you may express, in detail, your likes and/or dislikes.

The survey is largely based on multiple choice with a selectable 1-10 scale. Towards the end you can fill out the "3 best" and "3 worst" features with an "other" option that allows you to fill in a box with more detailed data. The box is small, but does not appear to have a character limit.

The link is listed below, once there, the survey is labeled "your opinion," and it should appear to the left of the "discover" button. Both are overlayed ontop of the V4 image.

https://www.ducati.com/ww/en/bikes/panigale/panigale-v4



My thoughts are as listed below, if you don't care, feel free to skip the following and simply fill out the survey with your thoughts.

Personally, I am incredibly pleased and yet disgusted with aspects of the new design. Strong words, perhaps, but mediocrity does not inspire change. If you dislike something, sway the scales to the extremes. The headlights, upper cowl, windscreen, taillights, pillion fairing, seat, dash and engine are fantastic IMO.

They grossly fell short on the fairing design, as it lacks character. There are almost no open air scoops or ports as with the previous 1299, which make it seem plain.

The tank is the most atrocious thing I have ever seen, and I mean that. It looks MASSIVE and bulbous; the exposed underseat tank extension, as well as the plastic tank shroud that mates with the upper fairing, accentuate such flaws. Just look at the sheer mass/height of the tank compared to the previous 1299 tank. The design does not flow at all, and the mating of the gas tank/fairing should mirror the 1299 design. Instead, they chose to highlight the front frame by leaving it exposed, requiring the gas tank to come down further than it should. Also rendering the fairing connection narrow and flimsy looking.

On a positive note, the bike doesnt have a passenger seat or pegs in stock form. So why they made the passenger peg mounting points so visible on the subframe is beyond me. The subframe is otherwise plain and flat, and simply lacks the asthetic sculpted lines of the 1299.

The single sided swing arm also lacks character and is overly plain. Again, compare it to the outgoing 1299.

The reuse of almost identical 1299 S wheels is simply lazy.

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Get over it, it looks like a cracker of a bike by the specs and it hasn't even been released yet. The manufacturers and designers must think we are a bunch of knobs.
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Old Nov 29th 2017, 11:22 PM   #3
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Get over it, it looks like a cracker of a bike by the specs and it hasn't even been released yet. The manufacturers and designers must think we are a bunch of knobs.
If that were the case, they wouldn't be releasing model specific surveys prior to the very release you speak of. If you'd rather receive lackluster products then provide the very data manufacturers seek, then crawl back in the drab hole you came from and take your pessimistic "it is what it is" perspective with you.
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Originally Posted by Ashes View Post
If that were the case, they wouldn't be releasing model specific surveys prior to the very release you speak of. If you'd rather receive lackluster products then provide the very data manufacturers seek, then crawl back in the drab hole you came from and take your pessimistic "it is what it is" perspective with you.
I didn't say "it is what it is" you fuckwit. I like it and I'm sure others do as well, if you think they are going to change it because you don't like this or that your more stupid than I had thought.

What data do you speak of dopey, it's cosmetic shit your waffling on about. They have done well without you or me in the past so I think they'll be OK. They put this survey up to keep you dicks thinking your contributing something and then will wipe they're arses with it.
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Originally Posted by able duc View Post
I didn't say "it is what it is" you fuckwit. I like it and I'm sure others do as well, if you think they are going to change it because you don't like this or that your more stupid than I had thought.

What data do you speak of dopey, it's cosmetic shit your waffling on about. They have done well without you or me in the past so I think they'll be OK. They put this survey up to keep you dicks thinking your contributing something and then will wipe they're arses with it.
Never said you did, but your narrow minded stance is pretty fucking apparent. Think what you will, but there's a reason companies spend millions of dollars on consumer research, and its not to wipe their arses with. If you think Im waffling over cosmetics, take the survey and you'll see the data Ducati is looking for, is predominently asthetic.

You're clearly not interested in conveying your thoughts, on a forum, or to Ducati; so again, fuck off.
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Let's try and get this thread back on track ya?!

Not trying to change anyone's opinions, if yours differ from mine, I respect that. It's those who attack others for vocalizing their opinions, that frustrate me.
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Well that escalated quickly.......

But I am inclined to agree with the OP as I passed comment along the same lines in another thread..... only I didn't quite go as OTT.

So yeah, Ducati are well aware it wasn't so well received by everyone. The spy shots also got fairly negative press initially and it turned out to be that very bike.

But as Able is clearly saying, some people like the bike. Your opinion is just that, yours. As I say, I'm not so sure of it, neither are a lot of others, Ducati know this, but this is what you have, it's released, end of. You don't have to buy it.

Personally I'm waiting for the R, and I firmly believe if I do buy this bike, it will be because of the performance, not the looks
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R is going to be great me thinks
I love what Ducati does with the stuff it really is top shelf gear.
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the bike is too ugly to even critique.

ducati now wants free input from their customers bc they fucked up badly. no thanks.
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Originally Posted by Ashes View Post
.......Ducati is clearly aware of the hugely differing views on their newest superbike. Because of this, they have a survey on their home page that can be taken.......
That's not why Ducati put the survey out there. But if it gets you to play, I don't think they really care why you think you're doing it......
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