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Old Dec 6th 2017, 11:06 PM   #41
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People are asking how will the Ducati V4 perform against the Aprilia or how will it perform in general. Correct me if Im wrong but isnt the current Ducati V4 they are using in their new model the same engine just tuned down a bit and less expensive internal parts the same engine used in 2015 motogp bikes? And hasnt that engine been used in Motogp since 2009? Which means R&D and engine development began at least in 2002 with smaller engine displacement to comply with motogp rules and went from the GP3 engine to todays engine and Stoner won with the GP8. If thats the case why would anyone question whether its good engine or not. Maybe Ducati hasnt won a motogp title since stoner but Dovi came close and finished 2nd. Who knows what next year will bring. I think it will be a better bike than the Aprilia RSV4 but then again rumors are that Aprilia will have a new flagship model for 2019.

Everyone one of these liter bikes is great including the german and japanese bikes. Each one has a different soul and each one fits every rider different. Not one of us here no matter how well we track our bikes will ever ride the bikes to their fullest potential like the motogp riders, wsbk riders, ama superbike riders, british cup riders or test riders. Enjoy what bike you have and ride it to your riding skills.
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Old Dec 7th 2017, 07:17 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by AmpForE View Post
1 stationary piston?

If 2 stationary pistons result in more vibs than 4, does 1 stationary piston end up creating more vibration than 2?
You got it wrong. Accelerating 1 stationary piston takes less energy than 2, which gives the crankshaft a smoother rotating speed. But it comes at the price of a more shaky engine and seat, but that must not be confused with a less smooth power delivery which comes from a smoother rotating speed.
The Yamaha crossplane is a curious thing as it also has some rocking vibrations without the balancing shaft, which comes from the 2 stationary pistons being opposite of one another, for example is piston 1 at BDC at the same time as piston 4 is at TDC.

The V4 of Ducati actually sets the TDC sequence of each bank almost like that of a Harley Davidson, at 70 degrees spacing on the Ducati and 65 degrees on the HD. Not sure if the ignition sequence is the same though, or if one of them is offset by 360 degrees/half a cycle...
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Old Dec 7th 2017, 10:06 AM   #43
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Turbolag, thanks for the interesting info. Are you in the engine industry ? U sure seem to know stuff that is never spoken about.
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Old Dec 7th 2017, 10:14 AM   #44
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It will be interesting to read the reviews and opinions on the comparison between the two when the shootouts begin.

In my own experience between the RSV4 and the 1199 Panigale, after I bought my RSV4 and tracked it I never used the 1199 on the track again. Even with the weight difference I felt comfortable and confident with the RSV4 day one. So it’s not just about weight, the bike needs to handle well and deliver the power in a useable manner too... Everyone’s riding abilities and styles will differ so there isn’t necessarily one bike that fits all.
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Old Dec 7th 2017, 10:36 AM   #45
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Turbolag, thanks for the interesting info. Are you in the engine industry ? U sure seem to know stuff that is never spoken about.
No, only passionately enthusiastic about engines, tuning and engine control Trained as a cybernetics and automation engineer
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Old Dec 7th 2017, 04:10 PM   #46
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Old Dec 7th 2017, 09:12 PM   #47
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twin pulse


I misunderstood the twin Pulse firing order. It may have been the launch videos that made it look like the two front and rear cylinders moved together. That never made sense to me, but a 90 degree V with a 70 degree crank makes much more sense, and I'm guessing it will not be so vibey as the L - twin. There may be one in my future yet! Lol
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Old Dec 8th 2017, 12:46 PM   #48
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I own a 1299 and a RSV4 and both have their ups and downs. The RSV4 is smoother, has better street ergos and sounds way better than the Panigale. The 1299 has unmatched styling, great torque, and is light compared to the RSV4.
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Old Dec 8th 2017, 01:25 PM   #49
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I own a 1299 and a RSV4 and both have their ups and downs. The RSV4 is smoother, has better street ergos and sounds way better than the Panigale. The 1299 has unmatched styling, great torque, and is light compared to the RSV4.
Coming from a RSV4 I agree with most of above. I think the street ergos is debatable.
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Old Dec 8th 2017, 01:43 PM   #50
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Coming from a RSV4 I agree with most of above. I think the street ergos is debatable.
The 1299 is easy to toss around but it is a killer on the wrists on longer rides. The RSV4 is more stable and feels better on the body on longer distances and freeway riding. I also have a 2017 RSV4 so the ergos are slightly updated over previous years.
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