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Old Jan 19th 2018, 06:56 AM   #21
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I'm not really impressed... You can reach those whp numbers on a 1299 with a full system and a good tune. Only with alot more power in the lower revs... Mine pulled 203 whp and 150 Nm last time I tried.

So the engine really isn't a selling point for me, but hopefully the chassis is a big step and will give Chaz a boost for 2019!
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Old Jan 19th 2018, 07:46 AM   #22
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As motoX mentioned, different dynos measure differently on different days with different conditions. And one can calibrate the dyno to read out whatever they want. A dyno is not really. Measuring tool. It's a tuning tool used to measure delta from before to during to after. However it would be interesting to see an 1199 / 1299 on this same dyno to compare apples to apples though.

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Old Jan 19th 2018, 08:24 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by TurboLag View Post
I'm not really impressed... You can reach those whp numbers on a 1299 with a full system and a good tune. Only with alot more power in the lower revs... Mine pulled 203 whp and 150 Nm last time I tried.

So the engine really isn't a selling point for me, but hopefully the chassis is a big step and will give Chaz a boost for 2019!
You should be impressed considering that is a stock bike without the tune or the akra. If it was full akra + tune, it would bully anything the 1299 has sans torque.
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Old Jan 19th 2018, 01:32 PM   #25
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You should be impressed considering that is a stock bike without the tune or the akra. If it was full akra + tune, it would bully anything the 1299 has sans torque.
My point exactly, except I value the torque and the low speed power it brings. For a race bike, I agree. Less stress through more rod and bearing area SHOULD give a engine that's kinder to your maintenance budget. But for a street beast, the low end power will give you a more flexible engine no matter how you look at it. As for chassis, for me, I know the 1299 still has about 8 seconds per lap in regards to what I can manage now at my local track (national champ runs a Panigale R), so again, I value the torque and low end power of the extra cc over what you can achieve above 215 whp (where I guesstimate a normal tuned V4 will end up at). And I have a blast every trackday. But for Chaz Davies, I do believe it's a platform with more potential.
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Old Jan 19th 2018, 02:48 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by TurboLag View Post
My point exactly, except I value the torque and the low speed power it brings. For a race bike, I agree. Less stress through more rod and bearing area SHOULD give a engine that's kinder to your maintenance budget. But for a street beast, the low end power will give you a more flexible engine no matter how you look at it. As for chassis, for me, I know the 1299 still has about 8 seconds per lap in regards to what I can manage now at my local track (national champ runs a Panigale R), so again, I value the torque and low end power of the extra cc over what you can achieve above 215 whp (where I guesstimate a normal tuned V4 will end up at). And I have a blast every trackday. But for Chaz Davies, I do believe it's a platform with more potential.
Fair enough, I definitely agree it will be a lesser street experience coming from a 1299. That's ok I'm coming from a 959 so it's already going to be a noticeable increase in torque
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Rwhp = rear wheel horse power. Measured at the rear wheel.

Engine dynos are usually done on a bench. You can't accurately do an "engine dyno" using the rear wheels on rollers as there is the inevitable loss in power transferred mechanically through the different components. Unless the dyno is calibrated to take into account a specific percentage of power loss. Even then, no one can know the exact percentage of mechanical power loss through transfer so it would only be an estimate.

Dyno dynamics is a load based dyno which is fantastic to mimic road conditions for tuning purposes. If you got 199.2hp readout from a dyno dynamics dyno, I'm willing to bet it was calibrated with a fixed percentage of estimated power loss.

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No RWHP = what ever parameters they stick into the computer, and it is measured at the rear wheel,there is also a comparison mode which is suppose to bring it into line with the Dynojet Dyno amongst others, so basically comparisons are useless unless bikes are run on the same machine with the same settings in the same environment.
( If you got 199.2hp readout from a dyno dynamics dyno,I'm willing to bet it was calibrated with a fixed percentage of estimated power loss.) what you say is my point exactly.
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I am wondering if this bike had the Akra full system installed (I know the dyno chart states that the bike is unmodified). At 226hp, the 10% or so loss from engine to rear wheel would make more sense. Or, maybe Ducati is dumbing down their hp figures.
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Just like the Mcclaren with the 720S...It's making a lot more than advertised..
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Originally Posted by The Avidmoto View Post
I am wondering if this bike had the Akra full system installed (I know the dyno chart states that the bike is unmodified). At 226hp, the 10% or so loss from engine to rear wheel would make more sense. Or, maybe Ducati is dumbing down their hp figures.


It was a stock bike. Was chatting to local dealer when Moto rapido had just finished testing and they were discussing the results with him.

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