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Old Mar 13th 2018, 12:01 PM   #51
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Congratulation gyh.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a base versus a S.
You wouldn’t really feel the difference in rims either. At least I couldn’t.
Also,Fwiw, as a track bike come canyon carver, most racers would prefer manual suspension.
Not saying the Ohlins on the S isn’t good, just saying you’ll never find a auto suspension in a high level race. Ask yourself why.
The R ,which will be released soon I hope, will almost certainly have ohlins manual.
I am drawn to the base for its purity. A set of carbon rims , and ÷hlins cartridges and shock,
will put it a whole other level compared to a S.
But then again it’s just my opinion and am sure not everyone feels the same. And that is why we have the S.
Either way these new v4 are next level. Enjoy the ride !
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Old Mar 14th 2018, 08:20 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Veteran View Post
Congratulation gyh.
Not saying the Ohlins on the S isn’t good, just saying you’ll never find a auto suspension in a high level race. Ask yourself why.
Don't have to ask yourself, ask the FIM. Because they banned it after 2008; Yamaha had been running electronic Ohlins with Haga and Corser.

That said, no issue with the base either. Have a base 1199 with forged S wheels and a BPF/TTX combo on it myself. Might have to find something new and shiny to put those wheels on...

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Old Mar 14th 2018, 09:28 AM   #53
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Don't have to ask yourself, ask the FIM. Because they banned it after 2008; Yamaha had been running electronic Ohlins with Haga and Corser.

That said, no issue with the base either. Have a base 1199 with forged S wheels and a BPF/TTX combo on it myself. Might have to find something new and shiny to put those wheels on...
Steve , thatís interesting. Been following WSB for years and wasnít aware of the FIM ruling.
What was their reason why ? I mean they allow other electronics so why not suspension ?
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Old Mar 14th 2018, 09:36 AM   #54
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Fwiw, our local racers have tried racing with electronic suspension , especially on the BMW and pani V2 range.
After failed race setups, all the bikes were converted to manual suspension.
There is one R1m running the electronic setup, but he is a way off the leaders pace so suppose they ok for that.
Can’t comment as I have never raced with electronic suspension.
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Old Mar 14th 2018, 11:17 AM   #55
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Steve , that’s interesting. Been following WSB for years and wasn’t aware of the FIM ruling.
What was their reason why ? I mean they allow other electronics so why not suspension ?
Expect it was a bit like the (attempted) current limits on aero in MotoGP. Cost containment primarily, trying to avoid an arms race with spiraling costs to stay competitive. If memory serves, the stuff they were running then was GPS based rather than event based like the current stuff, which was developed primarily for road use. I can actually see an argument for the current tech being better for track use than the old GPS tech, since it'll be more predictable and consistent. Haga in particular didn't like the older electronic suspension because it changed all over the track.

But tracks are so much smoother than roads that I do think the road is a better application, as it allows you to run more compliant settings while still having acceleration and braking support on demand.
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Old Mar 15th 2018, 01:57 AM   #56
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Guys, for those choosing the base over the S you don’t need to keep justifying your decision by always looking at the S with such negativity.

I have ordered an S purely because I have had a Panigale 1199S for six years and simply love the electronic suspension. I came onto this bike from my 1098R, It is a great bike but I was always chasing my tail trying to get a suitable suspension setting. They are unforgiving.

I spent the time to tune the electronics settings on my Panigale to my size, weight and riding preference then matched each setting with a suitable engine and aids settings. I now have 3 great settings where I can simply scroll through from a nice soft doughy twin with soft settings, through to a hi power setting with more sporty suspension settings to a pure race setting. The race setting is pretty much where my 1098R is all the time.

I scroll through these continullay when I head off in a road depending on where I am, the conditions or simply what mood I am in. All the electronics work together and it is simply sensational. Once you have it you would never go backwards.

My Multistrada Enduro takes all this one step further with not only a 4th setting for off road riding but also full connectivity with head set, phone, GPS, and full interface with all riding details straight to my iPhone, simply brilliant. 4 bikes in one, and I scroll through each mode continually depending on what road I am riding on. Instantly from road to off road for example.

I assume the V4 electronics will now take sports bikes to the next level. But of course to get the full benefit you need all the aids including electronic suspension. I believe the V4 now has an adaptive mode for the suspension which will choose what is suitable.

All this works so seamlessly and lightening fast.

The reason it was stopped in racing was to keep a more even playing field as they were heading down the path of having the suspension and aids mapped to GPS settings around a track and was seen as an unfair advantage to those who did not have such technology.

Lucklily makers such as Ducati kept developing it for us mere mortals for the road. I also have similar on my Mercedes AMG Coupť and now have a number of modes set depending on what I want for the conditions.

By the way I am 59 and used to ride all the old bikes that some stare back at with wonderment. I can tell you they weren’t that great.

We are lucky indeed, and I love the fact I can buy such a bike. Enjoy all.
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Originally Posted by DucSyd View Post
Guys, for those choosing the base over the S you donít need to keep justifying your decision by always looking at the S with such negativity.

I have ordered an S purely because I have had a Panigale 1199S for six years and simply love the electronic suspension. I came onto this bike from my 1098R, It is a great bike but I was always chasing my tail trying to get a suitable suspension setting. They are unforgiving.

I spent the time to tune the electronics settings on my Panigale to my size, weight and riding preference then matched each setting with a suitable engine and aids settings. I now have 3 great settings where I can simply scroll through from a nice soft doughy twin with soft settings, through to a hi power setting with more sporty suspension settings to a pure race setting. The race setting is pretty much where my 1098R is all the time.

I scroll through these continullay when I head off in a road depending on where I am, the conditions or simply what mood I am in. All the electronics work together and it is simply sensational. Once you have it you would never go backwards.

My Multistrada Enduro takes all this one step further with not only a 4th setting for off road riding but also full connectivity with head set, phone, GPS, and full interface with all riding details straight to my iPhone, simply brilliant. 4 bikes in one, and I scroll through each mode continually depending on what road I am riding on. Instantly from road to off road for example.

I assume the V4 electronics will now take sports bikes to the next level. But of course to get the full benefit you need all the aids including electronic suspension. I believe the V4 now has an adaptive mode for the suspension which will choose what is suitable.

All this works so seamlessly and lightening fast.

The reason it was stopped in racing was to keep a more even playing field as they were heading down the path of having the suspension and aids mapped to GPS settings around a track and was seen as an unfair advantage to those who did not have such technology.

Lucklily makers such as Ducati kept developing it for us mere mortals for the road. I also have similar on my Mercedes AMG Coupť and now have a number of modes set depending on what I want for the conditions.

By the way I am 59 and used to ride all the old bikes that some stare back at with wonderment. I can tell you they werenít that great.

We are lucky indeed, and I love the fact I can buy such a bike. Enjoy all.
Very well stated, thank you!

I tried to resist the "S" but I am useless with manual suspension settings and I have really enjoyed the BMW S1000XR/RR electronic suspension so...

Yesterday I gave in and had my deposit moved from the "Base" to the "S".

My indecision has cost me time I was expecting the "Base" to arrive in March but now that I switched to the "S" I probably won't see my bike until June.
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Old Mar 15th 2018, 06:52 AM   #58
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Originally Posted by cavlino View Post
Very well stated, thank you!

I tried to resist the "S" but I am useless with manual suspension settings and I have really enjoyed the BMW S1000XR/RR electronic suspension so...

Yesterday I gave in and had my deposit moved from the "Base" to the "S".

My indecision has cost me time I was expecting the "Base" to arrive in March but now that I switched to the "S" I probably won't see my bike until June.
haha, i almost pull the trigger like you did but hold my nerve. can't wait to pick up my base model tomorrow or next monday!!! save myself 8.8K for other mods, waiting and patient is not my friend!!!
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Old Mar 15th 2018, 07:22 AM   #59
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Originally Posted by cavlino View Post
Very well stated, thank you!

I tried to resist the "S" but I am useless with manual suspension settings and I have really enjoyed the BMW S1000XR/RR electronic suspension so...

Yesterday I gave in and had my deposit moved from the "Base" to the "S".

My indecision has cost me time I was expecting the "Base" to arrive in March but now that I switched to the "S" I probably won't see my bike until June.
Try calling around. I was at a local dealer yesterday and there was a V4S available for purchase immediately. Someone backed out, and it suddenly became available. Had I not recently picked up a bike, I would have likely pulled the trigger.
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Second trip. Still cold and wet. Snow melting, but can't resist. ����

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