Panigale V4 Parts Leads.. - Page 13

jarelj · Apr 14th 2018, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by xpercad

Hi Jarel,

1) Do you know the stock spring rates (shock and forks) for the V4 S?
2) Will you sell fork springs for the V4 S?

Cheers!

Yes, the V4 S comes with 1.0 fork springs and 95 shock spring. We do sell the Ohlins spring replacements for both forks and shock, you can find them here:

https://www.ducatiomaha.com/collecti...-V4/suspension

NG01 · Apr 15th 2018, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by jarelj

Yes, the V4 S comes with 1.0 fork springs and 95 shock spring. We do sell the Ohlins spring replacements for both forks and shock, you can find them here:

https://www.ducatiomaha.com/collecti...-V4/suspension

Jarel from Ducati Omaha? i love your website, much more better than ducati in Australia here. Bought a few things but send to state then friend bring it down under for me instead of direct courier....

xpercad · Apr 15th 2018, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by jarelj

Yes, the V4 S comes with 1.0 fork springs and 95 shock spring. We do sell the Ohlins spring replacements for both forks and shock, you can find them here:

https://www.ducatiomaha.com/collecti...-V4/suspension

Hi Jarel,
According to the baseline rates suggested in your website, stock fork springs would be suitable for a rider weight between 205-225 lbs. and the stock shock spring would be suitable for a rider weight between 160-180 lbs.
I fully understand these are baseline rates based upon your experience, just wondering if there is a mistake in the recommendations.

Thanks!

Motzarelli · Apr 16th 2018, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by burton

From your local dealership

https://www.ducatiomaha.com/collecti...er-panigale-v4

Thanks Burton

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jarelj · Apr 17th 2018, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by xpercad

Hi Jarel,
According to the baseline rates suggested in your website, stock fork springs would be suitable for a rider weight between 205-225 lbs. and the stock shock spring would be suitable for a rider weight between 160-180 lbs.
I fully understand these are baseline rates based upon your experience, just wondering if there is a mistake in the recommendations.

Thanks!

No mistake, it just illustrates how much suspension setup and tuning is much more "art" than "science". The engineers set up the stock spring rates for a mystical rider under mystical riding conditions and for the bike to feel a certain way in testing, demo rides, and even sitting on in the showroom. But an individual rider under specific riding conditions may always prefer something else. In general there's a range of spring rates that will work for a particular rider weight, which keeps the suspension in the range of travel, but it's a very wide range of acceptable rates, there is not one right answer. So if you see the guidelines and you're 75 lbs. off from the spring rate that is on the bike, there's a good chance you'd like it better if you had a rate that was closer. The recommendations that we list are almost exclusively going to be track day/racing recommendations that we've determined through setup and tuning at the track and/or gotten from Ohlins, Mupo or other suspension companies from race teams. Once you're talking about street riding, it all becomes much less precise and important since road conditions can be so varied compared to track conditions. I do understand that everyone wants there to be one right answer: I weigh this much, I should run this spring rate. But that's not how it really works, the best approach is to make sure you're at least in the ballpark and then just ride the bike. If you find shortcomings of the suspension setup for the type of riding your doing, such as too much brake dive, wallowing in corners, rides stiff as a board, squatting and running wide on acceleration, etc., then it's time to look at changing something.

cavlino · Apr 17th 2018, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by jarelj

No mistake, it just illustrates how much suspension setup and tuning is much more "art" than "science". The engineers set up the stock spring rates for a mystical rider under mystical riding conditions and for the bike to feel a certain way in testing, demo rides, and even sitting on in the showroom. But an individual rider under specific riding conditions may always prefer something else. In general there's a range of spring rates that will work for a particular rider weight, which keeps the suspension in the range of travel, but it's a very wide range of acceptable rates, there is not one right answer. So if you see the guidelines and you're 75 lbs. off from the spring rate that is on the bike, there's a good chance you'd like it better if you had a rate that was closer. The recommendations that we list are almost exclusively going to be track day/racing recommendations that we've determined through setup and tuning at the track and/or gotten from Ohlins, Mupo or other suspension companies from race teams. Once you're talking about street riding, it all becomes much less precise and important since road conditions can be so varied compared to track conditions. I do understand that everyone wants there to be one right answer: I weigh this much, I should run this spring rate. But that's not how it really works, the best approach is to make sure you're at least in the ballpark and then just ride the bike. If you find shortcomings of the suspension setup for the type of riding your doing, such as too much brake dive, wallowing in corners, rides stiff as a board, squatting and running wide on acceleration, etc., then it's time to look at changing something.

So for the street would a Base V4 be able to setup to be as compliant as an S or is that just wishful thinking to save several thousand $$$ ? :-)

Can you tell I am still on the fence of which one to get? Currently my deposit is on the S but I am still in the window to change my order...

Veteran · Apr 17th 2018, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by cavlino

So for the street would a Base V4 be able to setup to be as compliant as an S or is that just wishful thinking to save several thousand $$$ ? :-)

Can you tell I am still on the fence of which one to get? Currently my deposit is on the S but I am still in the window to change my order...

Just an opinion. The S will have a wider spectrum of set up. Quickly.
You can soften it and cruise a bumpy road, or stiffen it and do a trackday.
If you only do one type of riding, eg track days or maybe mountain pass runs etc, the Base would be the better bet. It’s easier and cheaper to get it to work how you want.
If your a fast track day rider , the S is plenty good. If your a racer that mixes in the top third of the pack, a set up base will be considerably easier to ride.
Bottom line is, what is your use and your needs.

jarelj · Apr 17th 2018, 12:47 PM

We're drifting pretty far off topic here for Parts Lead, maybe start a new thread for these questions? Maybe one of the Mods can split this out?

LeoV4S · Apr 19th 2018, 09:10 PM

I just bought an aftermarket black windscreen for $120

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MotoX183 · Apr 23rd 2018, 12:41 PM

SC-Project S1 System. Wouldn't look 1/2 bad if it had a proper race bellypan.