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Old Feb 3rd 2018, 09:30 AM   #21
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Not a sportbike, different class to compare to. Just like the guy with the stretched-swingarm 'Busa who wants to talk about his bike in crowd of track day guys. Awkward to tell him that no one cares how fast his bike is in a straight line.
Iíd have to say that the H2, ZX14, and Busa are all still sportbikes. Remember when our sportbikes were over 500 lbs? The Ninja 1000 was a sportbike back then, these are no different. I see all three of these bikes out at trackdays and an H2 doing quite well in group 3.

This might not be of popular opinion but that 1103cc cheater engine bumps the V4 into the same category as an H2.

And look, many of these testers call it a cheater or cheaty engine like I do lol.
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Guess the question is does the extra displacement and weight savings Trump a supercharged engine? I know without restrictions it's easy to get an h2 in the 240 to 250 rwhp range and dumping a lot of weight when you get rid of that huge exhaust. I'll be adding a v4 at somne point for sure
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Did it have the USA restrictions though?
No. European spec bikes. Both.
And that is something I donít understand. Why do they sell a superbike and restrict it ? What is that about , Emissions ?
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Guess the question is does the extra displacement and weight savings Trump a supercharged engine? I know without restrictions it's easy to get an h2 in the 240 to 250 rwhp range and dumping a lot of weight when you get rid of that huge exhaust. I'll be adding a v4 at somne point for sure
The supercharged h2 is a easy bike to tune with great results for sure.
Just for that I have been thinking about getting one.
250 rwhp must be interesting !
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The supercharged h2 is a easy bike to tune with great results for sure.
Just for that I have been thinking about getting one.
250 rwhp must be interesting !
Yeah it eats gas like a mofo....but I have never ridden anything with so much power. It just makes power more and more and more and never lets up no matter the revs. Even though it's a heavier bike it's quite a blast to ride and the build quality is exceptional.

I still have more fun most days on a more agile bike, but if anyone has the option I totally suggest reserving any opinions on the h2 until you try one. It's something else.
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Originally Posted by Twistedracer View Post
Iíd have to say that the H2, ZX14, and Busa are all still sportbikes. Remember when our sportbikes were over 500 lbs? The Ninja 1000 was a sportbike back then, these are no different. I see all three of these bikes out at trackdays and an H2 doing quite well in group 3.

This might not be of popular opinion but that 1103cc cheater engine bumps the V4 into the same category as an H2.

And look, many of these testers call it a cheater or cheaty engine like I do lol.
Well, the definition I'd use and I think is valid for comparison is whether it's a bike that would race in WSBK.
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Well, the definition I'd use and I think is valid for comparison is whether it's a bike that would race in WSBK.
Then that knocks out the base and S model V4ís as that 1103cc engine disqualifies it. So not an RR (race replica) anymore.
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Then that knocks out the base and S model V4ís as that 1103cc engine disqualifies it. So not an RR (race replica) anymore.
I think you know what I'm getting at, the "Panigale" family are road racing-style "Sportbikes", the H2 is a "Hyperbike" built to go fast in a straight line. You would not see a magazine comparison article between the V4 Panigale and the H2, they are bikes built with a different focus. So when they say the V4 Panigale is the fastest "Sportbike" tested, they clearly are not intending that to mean fastest "Motorcycle" or fastest "Bike with a fairing", in this context it's fastest of the road-racing style "Sportbikes". Specific trim level doesn't matter, the base and V4S are built as road-racing style bikes, regardless of specific race class eligibility. If they have a comparison next year for fastest "Homologation" bike with the V4R that will be very interesting.
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Originally Posted by jarelj View Post
I think you know what I'm getting at, the "Panigale" family are road racing-style "Sportbikes", the H2 is a "Hyperbike" built to go fast in a straight line. You would not see a magazine comparison article between the V4 Panigale and the H2, they are bikes built with a different focus. So when they say the V4 Panigale is the fastest "Sportbike" tested, they clearly are not intending that to mean fastest "Motorcycle" or fastest "Bike with a fairing", in this context it's fastest of the road-racing style "Sportbikes". Specific trim level doesn't matter, the base and V4S are built as road-racing style bikes, regardless of specific race class eligibility. If they have a comparison next year for fastest "Homologation" bike with the V4R that will be very interesting.
I agree I have an H2 de restricted and I've over driven the super Charger and dropped 40 pounds and added BST wheels. She's a beast for sure and I've tracked her but she's not really meant for that. Even with the weight loss shes still a good size girl. I love my 1299SA but you just can't compare the twin to the H2 or the new V4. if its a track deal the V4 is the only way to go. But on the street or high way there's no chance your gonna catch the derestricted H2. But then again I haven't gotten my Speciale so I guess time will tell.
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I think you know what I'm getting at, the "Panigale" family are road racing-style "Sportbikes", the H2 is a "Hyperbike" built to go fast in a straight line. You would not see a magazine comparison article between the V4 Panigale and the H2, they are bikes built with a different focus. So when they say the V4 Panigale is the fastest "Sportbike" tested, they clearly are not intending that to mean fastest "Motorcycle" or fastest "Bike with a fairing", in this context it's fastest of the road-racing style "Sportbikes". Specific trim level doesn't matter, the base and V4S are built as road-racing style bikes, regardless of specific race class eligibility. If they have a comparison next year for fastest "Homologation" bike with the V4R that will be very interesting.

As much of a Ducati fan as I am, I cannot blindly praise the Panigale V4 as being the best or fastest or most powerful sportbike out there. The Panigale is now a 4 cylinder engine, same as all the rest of the other manufacturers fours. But being as Ducati chose to make it an 1103cc vs a 1000cc engine, it canít be compared to anyone elseís sportbike. Ducati could have tuned a 1000cc V4 into being a good street engine but they chose not to. Once again Ducati chose to play by their own rules so they canít even be compared to anyone elseís street going Superbike.
Yes I know that the R will be a 1000cc homologation bike, but the key word is homologation and not even close in price or engine to the other streetbikes so no comparison there either.
But itís all about power numbers when it comes to selling bikes for the street. More power and faster is what sells and just making equivalent or one or two more horses out of the same size street engine as the rest wonít guarantee sales with the premium prices of Ducati. Hence the ďcheaterĒ engine.

Like I said, Iím a fan but I donít follow blindly. But I also acknowledge that the V4 is an impressive engine even for its displacement.
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