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Old Feb 23rd 2018, 09:23 AM   #21
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MV have been limited runs for a long while, as you say theyíve lost their shine.

Aside from a number thereís nothing on the Speciale that you canít get from a parts catalog and a wrap/paint job. The R will be the one to have but I canít help feeling that Iím now priced out of that one. Rumour has it there will be a price cap increase coming for 2019 WSBK
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Old Feb 23rd 2018, 09:10 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by BTrain5489 View Post
I'd wait on the R before I shelled out basically R money for the Speciale.
Exactly!!!
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Old Feb 23rd 2018, 09:13 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by DUCENZO View Post
My thoughts as well, is like I know they have to account for inflation and cost of technology but, bumping these prices up on especially the Speciale which is basically a Tri Colore is ridiculous. That means the R will be about $45-$46k and if it gets the Mag wheels option you looking at $49K USD.
Quite frankly at $45K for the V4R I'd buy a used 1199SL (Ive seen for sale in mid forties). Now that's bang for the buck!!!



Ehhh I think it's kinda premature to say that it won't have the bottom end as the 1100. I'm sure they'll find a way or already have a way but saving it for the production R.
Surely the WSBK V4R won't suffer a lack of low end !!!
Agreed, look no further than Performance Bike mag. They have a great article on the 1000cc V4R that is currently under testing.
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Old Feb 24th 2018, 07:26 AM   #24
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I was also in the conundrum of V4S or Speciale.

Here's what I looked at to help with my dilemma.

The Speciale has most of the parts I'd buy but a couple I can live without. So I started looking to see what it cost to put those parts on the V4S. The only ones I cant get are the serialized top yoke and the paint scheme.

With that being said I just added it up. Keep in mind these are retail prices but I'm pretty confident I can get a better deal through my dealer.


Carbon front/rear mudguards $780
Alcantara seat $260
Ducati Performance rearset $1099
Carbon heel guards $175
Carbon swingarm cover $350
Racing Clutch/brake levers $410
Brake level protection $330
Ducati Akrapovič exhaust system $5300
Belly pan for Exhaust $260
Racing screen $200
Plate holder removal kit $40
Mirror Block off $120
Ducati Data Analyser ??
Bike cover $300
Racing fuel tank cap $220

The total cost of those parts is $9844
The difference in the cost of the bikes is $12500
I'm sure the dealer would be a bit more flexible on the V4S price since its not a numbered bike.

Keep in mind you would still have your stock parts. So I decided to do the V4S and do a wrap of some sort to make it my own. I know this was a bit long winded hopefully it helps someone on the fence.

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Old Feb 24th 2018, 07:48 AM   #25
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For those that will more than likely do all those mods anyway, the speciale is a great buy. Looks a million times better than plain red and you don't need to worry about doing any of the mods yourself or paying someone to do it. If you're gonna keep the bike basic, then V4S it is. Money aside, this should be a no brainer here. If I was in the market, speciale would be it every day of the year.
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Old Feb 24th 2018, 08:20 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by HKMP7 View Post
I was also in the conundrum of V4S or Speciale.

Here's what I looked at to help with my dilemma.

The Speciale has most of the parts I'd buy but a couple I can live without. So I started looking to see what it cost to put those parts on the V4S. The only ones I cant get are the serialized top yoke and the paint scheme.

With that being said I just added it up. Keep in mind these are retail prices but I'm pretty confident I can get a better deal through my dealer.


Carbon front/rear mudguards $780
Alcantara seat $260
Ducati Performance rearset $1099
Carbon heel guards $175
Carbon swingarm cover $350
Racing Clutch/brake levers $410
Brake level protection $330
Ducati Akrapovič exhaust system $5300
Belly pan for Exhaust $260
Racing screen $200
Plate holder removal kit $40
Mirror Block off $120
Ducati Data Analyser ??
Bike cover $300
Racing fuel tank cap $220

The total cost of those parts is $9844
The difference in the cost of the bikes is $12500
I'm sure the dealer would be a bit more flexible on the V4S price since its not a numbered bike.

Keep in mind you would still have your stock parts. So I decided to do the V4S and do a wrap of some sort to make it my own. I know this was a bit long winded hopefully it helps someone on the fence.

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For those that will more than likely do all those mods anyway, the speciale is a great buy. Looks a million times better than plain red and you don't need to worry about doing any of the mods yourself or paying someone to do it. If you're gonna keep the bike basic, then V4S it is. Money aside, this should be a no brainer here. If I was in the market, speciale would be it every day of the year.
Good analogy and breakdown but, youíre forgetting labor which is fair to include even though youíll have the V4S takeoff part you could sell. Also that numbered yoke is ďpricelessĒ in this comparison lol. And color scheme to die for.

I do preach that the Speciale is not special enough and itís over priced but few yrs ago Iíd be all over it . Now that Iím an investor I couldnít do it but if I was ballin hell yeah lol.

Used 1199SL>Speciale V4S
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Old Feb 24th 2018, 08:21 AM   #27
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Originally Posted by HKMP7 View Post
I was also in the conundrum of V4S or Speciale.

Here's what I looked at to help with my dilemma.

The Speciale has most of the parts I'd buy but a couple I can live without. So I started looking to see what it cost to put those parts on the V4S. The only ones I cant get are the serialized top yoke and the paint scheme.

With that being said I just added it up. Keep in mind these are retail prices but I'm pretty confident I can get a better deal through my dealer.


Carbon front/rear mudguards $780
Alcantara seat $260
Ducati Performance rearset $1099
Carbon heel guards $175
Carbon swingarm cover $350
Racing Clutch/brake levers $410
Brake level protection $330
Ducati Akrapovič exhaust system $5300
Belly pan for Exhaust $260
Racing screen $200
Plate holder removal kit $40
Mirror Block off $120
Ducati Data Analyser ??
Bike cover $300
Racing fuel tank cap $220

The total cost of those parts is $9844
The difference in the cost of the bikes is $12500
I'm sure the dealer would be a bit more flexible on the V4S price since its not a numbered bike.

Keep in mind you would still have your stock parts. So I decided to do the V4S and do a wrap of some sort to make it my own. I know this was a bit long winded hopefully it helps someone on the fence.

That's what my thought process was as well when deciding on the v4s. Most of the parts on the speciale I want, but not all. Don't want the rearsets, lever guard, gas tank cap, plate holder removal, mirror block offs, levers, alcantara seat, etc. And some I just wanted another brand or style.

If you're price sensitive, I humbly thing most are missing the point here. Since you're considering both, I would assume you could afford either comfortably. Any experienced investor will tell you it's not all about the purchase price difference. It's more about the ownership cost. Here in Canada, the S is $31k and speciale is $48k. The S with all the mods should be around 40k. That's 8k difference (aside from taxes etc which is at a static rate so we will discard thst in this conversation). So you'd save 8k on a almost equally equipped S (minus the top yoke and paint). But keep in mind, wholesale value of the speciale will depreciate from 48k, while the s with 9k of mods will start depreciating at 31k since resellers and wholesalers consider mods to narrow the market and not worth anything (case by case basis relative to your relationship with your dealer but for argument sake let's say it's at 0 value). So let's say the first year, both will depreciate at 20%. After a year, the speciale will be worth $38400, and the s will be worth 24800. So if I bought the speciale, I would have lost 9600 after a year, but with the v4 S, after a year I would have lost $6200 + $9k (in mods) = $15200. Still the speciale seems like a better deal right? But... The 7k I saved on the initial purchase, if I dump that back into my business and assume the same client acquisition cost of about 10%, I'd make $70k top line from the $7k I saved, which far outweighs the $5600 ownership cost difference on the 2.

I know many numbers are are approximate and you may have a dealer that would give you more for this or that or sell you the bike or parts at a lower price. But this is the ballpark I considered when deciding on the speciale vs. S. Since I'm not going to keep this bike forever, nor does the paint scheme or numbered bike mean much to me, it was just down to price.

I'm a nerd and a finance guy. Apologies to those who hate numbers.

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Originally Posted by DUCENZO View Post
Good analogy and breakdown but, youíre forgetting labor which is fair to include even though youíll have the V4S takeoff part you could sell. Also that numbered yoke is ďpricelessĒ in this comparison lol. And color scheme to die for.

I do preach that the Speciale is not special enough and itís over priced but few yrs ago Iíd be all over it . Now that Iím an investor I couldnít do it but if I was ballin hell yeah lol.

Used 1199SL>Speciale V4S
The only real labor would be the exhaust if you cant do it yourself. The other parts are simple bolt-ons.

Don't get me wrong I love the paint scheme. I don't get hot and bothered about having a numbered yoke tho. After everything I figure I'd save $6000 buying the V4S. With stock parts still in hand. Lastly I find it easier to negotiate a better deal on the non "limited edition" bike. Its doubtful they'll be willing to discount the Speciale.
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Originally Posted by DUCENZO View Post
Good analogy and breakdown but, youíre forgetting labor which is fair to include even though youíll have the V4S takeoff part you could sell. Also that numbered yoke is ďpricelessĒ in this comparison lol. And color scheme to die for.

I do preach that the Speciale is not special enough and itís over priced but few yrs ago Iíd be all over it . Now that Iím an investor I couldnít do it but if I was ballin hell yeah lol.

Used 1199SL>Speciale V4S
Surprised more aren't jumping on the sl right now
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Surprised more aren't jumping on the sl right now
Put yours up, Iíll be on it !! It is really the most gorgeous Ducati at the moment. And every single bolt is specific to the SL...I love it
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