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Old Mar 10th 2018, 05:14 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by DCPanni View Post
I think we ought to have graduated licenses for bikes in the US like Europe does. Pretty clear the guy in the video was over his head. Least it was a parking lot tumble and not on the road at speed.
right, that's what we need in america. more laws. we should retest annually and each license should be based on skill and engine size. the police can administer all the tests and if you are caught with the wrong license, first offense is a huge fine and second offense is jail time. license fees start at $500 and up depending on how badly you want to ride. you can get a license to ride around town but you need a travel license to leave the state. track licenses are given only to "racers" and those start out at $1000.

or we can keep it the way we have it now and people can take responsibility for themselves and their property instead of thru government licensing schemes and programs that help nobody.

i vote for an endorsement (if that) and that's it, end of story.
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Old Mar 10th 2018, 05:36 PM   #32
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We have a graduated license program here in Ontario and I think itís pretty reasonable. First 90 days you arenít allowed to ride at night, 0 blood alcohol content & you canít drive on any road that has a speed limit above 80 km/hour.

After 90 days you have to take a road test and you basically have an unrestricted license except for a 0 blood alcohol content.

After 1 year, you can take a second road test and get your full unrestricted license.

For start to finish itís a couple of hundred dollars. I think itís a good system that keeps new riders safer for the first year without really limiting what one is able to do or purchase. All of the timelines are reduced if you attend and pass an MSF accredited course.

I am glad that I went through the graduated system. I had a 750 when I was 16 and I think that the 90 day restrictions that I had on my license probably helped me from meeting some unfortunate situations.
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Old Mar 10th 2018, 05:41 PM   #33
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As for the video looks very newbie

Originally Posted by kensteele View Post
or we can keep it the way we have it now and people can take responsibility for themselves and their property instead of thru government licensing schemes and programs that help nobody.
This is why we have bikes now with no bottom end, because people were killing themselves.

The first 1000cc bikes pushing out big HP and lots of torque ie. K1/K2 gixxer and first gen R1 are known as widow maker.

Here we have progressive licensing used to be 250cc for a year then whatever size now its power to weight up to 650cc then whatever.

And the test is looking for low speed skill
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Old Mar 10th 2018, 07:39 PM   #34
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^no offense to my fellow ducati riders, blokes, and mates but we don't care to adopt any parts of the UK/Canada/AU license processes. clearly it's my opinion and i'm only speaking for myself but i feel the less government involvement, the better. if you want to make this all private and optional, not a problem with it.
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Old Mar 10th 2018, 08:19 PM   #35
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i think it's crazy that new riders can walk in and purchase the most powerful production motorcycles available with little to no experience. The guy in the vid is a clear novice.
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Old Mar 10th 2018, 09:04 PM   #36
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I have 0 issues with a newbie buying the most powerful sportbike available. If a newbie who has little to no experience on a bike is dumb enough to decide on that kind of a purchase, then there are zero fucks given to whatever may happen to him. Afterall, isn't that what Darwinism is all about? Bike doesn't hurt or kill someone. Common sense is not something everyone has and a motorcycle purchase requires some level of common sense.
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Old Mar 10th 2018, 09:30 PM   #37
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I have 0 issues with a newbie buying the most powerful sportbike available. If a newbie who has little to no experience on a bike is dumb enough to decide on that kind of a purchase, then there are zero fucks given to whatever may happen to him. Afterall, isn't that what Darwinism is all about? Bike doesn't hurt or kill someone. Common sense is not something everyone has and a motorcycle purchase requires some level of common sense.
Darwinism is long long gone now we have societies.....no longer small tribal people living/working together.

A purchase requires 0 common sense, you just go buy it. Think you mean self control......not hard for newbie to f*ck up.
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Old Mar 10th 2018, 10:21 PM   #38
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...After 90 days you have to take a road test and you basically have an unrestricted license except for a 0 blood alcohol content.

After 1 year, you can take a second road test and get your full unrestricted license...
Are you saying after 1 year you can have X blood alcohol content and be legal to drive...?
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Was that the new Ducati slide control?
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 05:14 AM   #40
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America you can get license for car/MC even if your a Dotard..
Check license requirements in Germany or Japan to drive a car..
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