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Old Mar 11th 2018, 06:14 AM   #41
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King got an SL. 'Nuff said
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 06:19 AM   #42
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Are you saying after 1 year you can have X blood alcohol content and be legal to drive...?
You still have to blow under 0.05, same as car drivers
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 07:49 AM   #43
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Not to sound like a martyr or saint which I am definitely not, any pointless death on a motorcycle should not be mocked or taken lightly.
Some of these new guys just don’t know better. Some might be full of bravado, whereas other are just plain ignorant and have never had help or advise.

I have had 42 years of good motorcycling, and in return I try help any newbie that wants my guidance. I may not know everything, but can surely still help .

I always try promote safety gear, track schools and good reading material. I make a point to help with basics many of us take for granted.

If someone wants to listen , and I can save a life then all good.
“Ignorance and Bravado” describes 80% of the motorcycle forums and motorcycle community
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 10:01 AM   #44
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The Dutch love rules. It's quite complex, but I try to keep it short:

17yo: You can take driving lessons 15hp max, and do the written exam.
18yo: Driving exam A1, you receive license for max 15hp.
20yo: You can take driving lessons for 48hp bikes, and do the written exam A2. If you already have A1, you can skip the written exam.
21yo: Driving exam, you receive bike license "Code 80", max 48hp. After 2 years you automatically receive a full bike license, without any restrictions.
24yo: Driving exam full license, unlimited bike choice.
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 10:05 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Proper View Post
The Dutch love rules. It's quite complex, but I try to keep it short:

17yo: You can take driving lessons 15hp max, and do the written exam.
18yo: Driving exam A1, you receive license for max 15hp.
20yo: You can take driving lessons for 48hp bikes, and do the written exam A2. If you already have A1, you can skip the written exam.
21yo: Driving exam, you receive bike license "Code 80", max 48hp. After 2 years you automatically receive a full bike license, without any restrictions.
24yo: Driving exam full license, unlimited bike choice.
Way too complicated and unnecessary.
U.S. rules are just fine.
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 03:55 PM   #46
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People that smash up bikes, for being allowed to ride any size from the get go, make insurance rates for all of us go up. So people that bitch and moan about “freedom” fail to understand that aspect. You do pay and subsidize your rates for inexperience riders having that freedom. Insurance actuaries have it all figured out. You can’t best them.
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 04:42 PM   #47
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People that smash up bikes, for being allowed to ride any size from the get go, make insurance rates for all of us go up. So people that bitch and moan about “freedom” fail to understand that aspect. You do pay and subsidize your rates for inexperience riders having that freedom. Insurance actuaries have it all figured out. You can’t best them.
yeah because rates were so low before they let in all the riff-raff. at least you have a choice, if you don't like the rates, cut off the insurance company....cancel them. like you said, those actuaries are smart. you're getting your rate whether there are new riders "smashing up bikes" or not.

says the guy from d.c. where everyone wants more and more laws and a bigger government and more government control over as much as they can grab. like i have been saying, if a non-government insurance company wants to tell novice or young riders to go elsewhere for insurance or set rules and regulations for insurance, fine by me.

speaking of insurance, i guess you feel government laws forcing mandatory auto/bike insurance for everybody is the key to keeping those rates low, huh? government is regulating insurance and that's the problem, not squids on gixxers.
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Old Mar 11th 2018, 09:24 PM   #48
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We as human beings are driven by The Pleasure Principle and will go through inordinate amounts of pain to attain it . Just think of how many here have been in life altering experiences and still ride .
A very bad accident did not stop me from riding , just made me aware , that there are circumstances beyond your control waiting for you out there .
I empathize with this kid cause he is IGNORANT of what's out there He is living in the moment and satisfying his immediate needs , pleasure from riding .Even thought it's apparent his skill level is ABYSMAL ! He needs to be educated !!!
HOW IS HE GONNA BE EDUCATED ? Is he gonna voluntarily go ? Or does he need to be forced ?
If YOU lose a Son , Daughter , Husband , Wife to and IDIOT like him ?
Are you then going to ask for intervention ???
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