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Old Apr 17th 2018, 11:46 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by F3BobaFett View Post
I would of thought the first thing to learn here is the difference between dry and wet weight?
Dry weight is very creative - no fluids, no battery and no "whatever you choose to not have".
Wet weight is also creative - with some fluids, maybe LiON battery etc.

But we are talking about European Directive 93/93/EC (link):

1) Copy/paste from Ducati V4 owners manual:
Overall weight (in running order with 90% of fuel - 93/93/EC): 198 kg (436.5 lb).

2) And this 93/93/EC directive says:
mass in running order
means the unladen mass to which the mass of the following components is added:
— fuel: tank filled to at least 90 % of the capacity stated by the manufacturer,
— additional equipment normally supplied by the manufacturer in addition to that needed for normal operation ( tool kit, luggage carrier, windscreen, protective equipment, etc).

Edit: forgot to add definition of unladen mass in this directive:
unladen mass
means the mass of vehicle ready for normal use and equipped as follows:
— additional equipment required solely for the normal use under consideration,
— complete electrical equipment, including the lighting an light-signalling devices supplied by
the manufacturer,
— instruments and devices required by the laws under which the unladen mass of the vehicle
has been measured,
— the appropriate amounts of liquids in order to ensure the proper operation of all parts of
the vehicle.


So I have 100% stock bike with +11kg additional weight.
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Old Apr 18th 2018, 12:03 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by lauri911 View Post
Dry weight is very creative - no fluids, no battery and no "whatever you choose to not have".
Wet weight is also creative - with some fluids, maybe LiON battery etc.

But we are talking about European Directive 93/93/EC (link):

1) Copy/paste from Ducati V4 owners manual:
Overall weight (in running order with 90% of fuel - 93/93/EC): 198 kg (436.5 lb).

2) And this 93/93/EC directive says:
mass in running order
means the unladen mass to which the mass of the following components is added:
— fuel: tank filled to at least 90 % of the capacity stated by the manufacturer,
— additional equipment normally supplied by the manufacturer in addition to that needed for normal operation ( tool kit, luggage carrier, windscreen, protective equipment, etc).

So I have 100% stock bike with +11kg additional weight.
Well that is interesting, certainly some creative Italian mathematics going on.
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Old Apr 18th 2018, 12:03 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Veteran View Post
No V4 tester or review ever complained about a heavy bike. So if it feels good I wouldn’t bother too much.
Too each his own though .
Youtube testers do not measure weight usually.

And any other businesses like motorcycle magazines etc will NEVER say anything bad about bikes they preview --- otherwise no bike manufacturer wants to give bikes to them.
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Old Apr 18th 2018, 12:07 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by lauri911 View Post
I got my V4 yesterday, 100% stock and it weigths 211kg with full tank.

So lets say that it weights 209kg with 90% of fuel --- it is +11kg heavier than in Tech Data!!!

After finding this out I did measure my BMW NineT, Ducati Scrambler Italian Independent, KTM E-XC --- and of course, Scrambler had overweigth +9kg. BMW and KTM were as promised.

So seems that Ducati lies approx. 10kg...

BMW S1000RR weigth is 208kg and I always tought that BMW is heavier...
FUCK ME !!! that is a porker.
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Old Apr 18th 2018, 12:24 AM   #25
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Originally Posted by F3BobaFett View Post
Well that is interesting, certainly some creative Italian mathematics going on.

From owners manual:
Overall weight (in running order with 90% of fuel - 93/93/EC):198 kg (436.5 lb).
Overall weight (without fluids and battery): 175 kg (385.8 lb).

So lets see:
1) 175 kg +
2) Oil 3.8 L = 3.8 * 0.85 /oil kg per litre/ = 3.2 kg
3) Oil filter? not more than 500g
4) Battery +2.3kg
5) Coolant 2 litres = 2kg
6) Brake oil not more than 1L = 0.85kg
7) Fuel 90% of 16L = 16 * 0.9 * 0.75 /petrol mass per litre/ = 10.8 kg

So 175+3.2+0.5+0.85+2.3+2+10.8 = 194.65kg

Plus:
Fuses, relays, bulbs = so total around 197kg.

So my +11kg overweight is from dry weight.
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Old Apr 18th 2018, 01:22 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by lauri911 View Post
Youtube testers do not measure weight usually.

And any other businesses like motorcycle magazines etc will NEVER say anything bad about bikes they preview --- otherwise no bike manufacturer wants to give bikes to them.
Some do measure weight like MCN eventually in their group tests, but yeah not usually in the first ride/track reviews. So the truth will come out eventually. Thanks for sharing your findings.

I'm still surprised. I never would've guessed seeing the V4 up close that it actually weighed more than my gen 5 ZX, which is no svelte bike by any means. If someone had told me that right then and there I would've thought they were joking.
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Some do measure weight like MCN eventually in their group tests, but yeah not usually in the first ride/track reviews. So the truth will come out eventually. Thanks for sharing your findings.

I'm still surprised. I never would've guessed seeing the V4 up close that it actually weighed more than my gen 5 ZX, which is no svelte bike by any means. If someone had told me that right then and there I would've thought they were joking.
Recent gen bikes gain a lot of weight due to emissions regulations. Swap the exhaust and you rip 5-10 kilos. Eg: my FM is stainless steel but still weighs I think 7 kilos less than OEM.
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Recent gen bikes gain a lot of weight due to emissions regulations. Swap the exhaust and you rip 5-10 kilos. Eg: my FM is stainless steel but still weighs I think 7 kilos less than OEM.
Yeah, they're both Euro 4 compliant so a lot of weight in their cans. Thing is, the V4 looks so much physically smaller that I find it hard to believe it's the heavier of the two. That and the old push test to get a general feel of its heft. Guess it carries its weight well, lol.
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Swap the cans out with the optional exhaust and you probably have most of your +11kg. On my KTM RC8 there was an 18lb (8-9kg) difference between the stock and aftermarket exhaust I put on. It was unreal.
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Originally Posted by lauri911 View Post
I got my V4 yesterday, 100% stock and it weigths 211kg with full tank.

So lets say that it weights 209kg with 90% of fuel --- it is +11kg heavier than in Tech Data!!!

After finding this out I did measure my BMW NineT, Ducati Scrambler Italian Independent, KTM E-XC --- and of course, Scrambler had overweigth +9kg. BMW and KTM were as promised.

So seems that Ducati lies approx. 10kg...

BMW S1000RR weigth is 208kg and I always tought that BMW is heavier...
Thats crazy!!! 465lbs!!!! Jesus that's almost 70lbs more than my 1299 street bike set up and the V4S is over 80lbs heavier than my track day set up!!! Power is nice but I will take a light bike any day that has a bit less power.
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