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Mutt1979 Aug 20th 2018 01:02 AM

Converted - First ride
 
I’ve been very on the fence and sceptical about the new v4 and have made no excuses for it. My initial reactions to this bike were based mostly around the looks, which I'm still not happy with. There are so many little things that they could of done to iron it out like the clutch cover on the outgoing bike is way nicer, the seat could of finished at the sub frame covering the tank a little better instead of the corners missing and that whole cover from the fairings and over the tank is still a mess, other manufacturers have managed something similar with far better fit and finish.

Anyway, I've always loved the Panigale and had 3 variations with the latest being the 2015 R and I have to say, my absolute favourite. I've always known though that this bike is outside of my capability and it has reminded me on more than one occasion. I have consciously avoided riding the V4 because I think I knew it would be better for a rider like me and my skill level being more manageable.

I had previously sat on the V4 and had recognised that I liked the riding position and found it more comfortable so to start as I rode out of the dealers I was already happy on the bike. I thought the tank being far wider would be awkward but it isn't, its larger in a constructive way and leant over you feel as though you have a more positive contact with the machine.

Straight away I had no problem with the new engine, but low down it does feel flat and the torque that journalists speak of may be there, but not compared to the R, I found it very benign in that respect. However, the more I rode and learnt more about the engine, I dropped the short shifting from my twin and started stretching it's legs, then it made sense and then I got that surge I was missing.

I have to admit I preferred lack of engine braking on corner entry. But, compared to the R this bike turns in a lot, lot slower than the R. The weight shows and that counter rotating crank are still missing that razor sharp turning of the R. With a nod back to my previous comment about my skill level, I preferred this. I felt I could corner like I was riding the bike, not the bike riding me. It's not that the R is unmanageable in any sense, I just preferred the V4.

Just my initial thoughts really, it is progress and it is the way forward, for me at least and it definitely retains a certain Ducati character. One of the main reasons for trading in though is just keeping up to date so there's no MOT's to worry about and a full warranty is available. I didn't spend much time on the bike, but I already feel the need to go back and ride it again and it was enough for me to put in an order for the S.

Ultimately, I've had a bit of a mental struggle with this, I wanted to keep both but the R is going. They are so different to ride, but I know if I had both in the garage, I would take the V4 :eek:

Riki Aug 20th 2018 02:12 AM

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dflowerz Aug 20th 2018 07:14 AM

Nice to hear another take on the bike. It has different engine modes and you can adjust the engine braking too, so would be interesting to know how your bike is set.

SixShock Aug 20th 2018 08:28 AM

First time I've ever heard someone mention the Twin being easier to turn in. Not that the 959 was heavy, but it was definitely more effort to turn in and lean over than the V4 and was closer to an R6.

dogrange Aug 20th 2018 08:35 AM

I have not ridden one, but it is interesting to see someone else have some similar thoughts to my impressions. Unlike all the the breathless reviews out there I also think the styling is awkwardish, with some of those same points you make jumping out. The frame is pretty ugly too, why couldn’t they have textured or glossed it or something - that matte silver with the bolt hole terminating it just doesn’t look good.

That said, just sitting on the bike the ergis do immediately seem more manageable than the Panigales - I never loved the really narrow tanks and the wider v4 tank seems like it would be easier to hang on to and more comfortable. Still considering a v4 as my next bike, maybe a test ride will clinch it for me.


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stealthblack Aug 21st 2018 02:18 AM

I was back and forth between a 2015+ R and a V4S having test ridden both in the canyons. I found the V4S incredibly nimble and easy to ride. Cornering required very little effort and the electronics felt like an invisible helping hand rather than intrusive. However, coming from a Streetfighter 1098S, I found the V4S lacking the pissed off beastly character I've grown use to, additionally I personally did not appreciate it aesthetically. I believe the V4S is an incredible bike and a ton of fun, and one that sounds like is a better fit for you - just isn't for me at this time, however that will likely change with the release of the V4R.

I happily went with the Panigale R. It's a beast, and only when ridden hard and aggressively may you appecite what it has to offer. I haven't stopped smiling...

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990Glen Aug 21st 2018 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt1979 (Post 315337)
I have to admit I preferred lack of engine braking on corner entry. But, compared to the R this bike turns in a lot, lot slower than the R. The weight shows and that counter rotating crank are still missing that razor sharp turning of the R. With a nod back to my previous comment about my skill level, I preferred this. I felt I could corner like I was riding the bike, not the bike riding me. It's not that the R is unmanageable in any sense, I just preferred the V4.

If I recall, you have had the R suspension optimised for your weight etc with
springs and set up?
Has this not made it more scalpel like in its manners than before, where I guess
it would be a little more flexible in its acceptance of road conditions and riding
style. ie the way a generically set up V4 would perhaps be ?

Personally I love my R and the twin format more so. The combination V4 engine and
podgy looks will stop me updating any further within the Ducati range for
now. Who knows what the the future will bring, but this one aint for me.

Mutt1979 Aug 21st 2018 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 990Glen (Post 315402)
If I recall, you have had the R suspension optimised for your weight etc with
springs and set up?
Has this not made it more scalpel like in its manners than before, where I guess
it would be a little more flexible in its acceptance of road conditions and riding
style. ie the way a generically set up V4 would perhaps be ?

Personally I love my R and the twin format more so. The combination V4 engine and
podgy looks will stop me updating any further within the Ducati range for
now. Who knows what the the future will bring, but this one aint for me.

Yes, guilty, and in that respect I've probably been my own worst enemy! But I have to say it's more than just that. As you suggest, I can always dial out the R to be softer and more compliant, I get that.

But with the V4 you are pointing at the looks and the engine. As I said, I was sceptical, but that engine is a peach. However, I don't get the looks still. Thing is with the V4 you won't get it until you ride one. It's greater than the sum of it's parts and when you ride it it does come together.......... and possibly because you can't see how ugly it is when sat on it :D

990Glen Aug 21st 2018 08:25 AM

I'm sure it is greater than the sum of its parts, and the reviews seem very favourable.
I also think it will probably suit more riders in the long run and it has certainly pulled
a lot of interest from guys previously loyal to the JIL4 market.

For me the V2 configuration is a large part of my pleasure. I've had over 30 new bikes
and more than half of them have been big V twins from Ducati, KTM and Honda.
In contrast I have only owned 5 IL4 as I dont enjoy high revving motors.

The pani R took a fair bit of getting used to in comparison to my 1098R due to
the depletion of mid range and higher rev ceiling. I have no interest going further
in that direction, even if the V4R gets rid of the puppy fat and is a bit of a looker.

Hope you enjoy the new V4 fella.

stealthblack Aug 21st 2018 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt1979 (Post 315407)

But with the V4...It's greater than the sum of it's parts and when you ride it it does come together.......... and possibly because you can't see how ugly it is when sat on it :D

Very true and very funny!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 990Glen (Post 315416)
...The pani R took a fair bit of getting used to in comparison to my 1098R due to
the depletion of mid range and higher rev ceiling...

Indeed, completely agree - coming from the SF 1098S.


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